Podcast Episode 4: Is Your Metabolism Decreasing Your Energy? (with Transcription)

Welcome to our fourth episode of True Health Solutions Podcast with Dr. Lonnie Bagwell and Brigitte Spurgeon.

In this episode, we discuss the relationship between stress, metabolism, and energy! Understanding your metabolism is fundamental to energy production which changes the quality of your life!

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Brigitte Spurgeon (00:00):
Energy changes everything. Energy literally changes your day, changes the person you are. It changes your productivity, It changes your impact in this world. Energy changes your mood. It, it changes the way that you parent. It changes the way that you interact with people. It changes everything.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:17):
Welcome to the True Health Solutions podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, stress, inflammation, and functional health clinician.

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:23):
And I'm your co-host Bridget Spurgeon Metabolism and nutrition expert.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:27):
This podcast is where we bring hope, truth, and inspiration for your holistic health journey

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:32):
Because the world needs the best version of you.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:37):
Hello and welcome to True Health Solutions podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bael, with my co-host

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:42):
Bridget Spurgeon.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:43):
And we are excited to talk to you today. We're shifting gears from last week's podcast. Today we're gonna be talking about metabolism and energy, something that, uh, that everybody wants more of, and, uh, and even if they don't fully understand meta metabolism, it's something that affects every aspect of their life and their body. So they want more of that too. But before we get started, uh, as always, we start off the show with talking a little bit more about, um, where we are with our health journey, um, what we're encountering. Uh, we just came out of a season of, of focusing on teaching workshops, webinars, and talking about detox on the podcast. Um, so we have some updates on that. And, um, and then we'll shift into talking about metabolism and energy. So, Bridget, we were talking pre-show. Uh, actually we've talked all week long about something that you're encountering share with our listeners, uh, and viewers, what it is that you've been dealing with. Uh, kind of a unique thing, but, uh, even maybe a dangerous thing when it comes to toxicity.

Brigitte Spurgeon (01:36):
Sure. I shared on a previous episode that living here on the coast, now that I've been eating a lot of fresh seafood and salads, and, you know, that's been amazing. But last weekend, Sandy and I, um, we took a hike down to some beaches and I started noticing all these dead fish in the ocean and on the beach. And so I went to little research and found out that there is, or was red tide going on over here. And, um, basically there is a, there's a neurotoxin that's produced that, that's what's killing the fish. And I suddenly got nervous because obviously all the fish here, it's fresh caught fish locally. And so they're probably fine because they're probably caught deeper out in the ocean and they're probably not affected. But I couldn't get past like what I now knew. And so I have not been able to eat fish the whole week since I found this out, which now is,

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (02:38):
This is just real talk right now. <laugh>. This is just real talk <laugh>. Oh

Brigitte Spurgeon (02:42):
My gosh. So yes, it's definitely disrupted my, my nutrition. So I've shifted. I, I did actually do a little bit of beef, but really I have shifted towards now like eating a little bit more vegetarian diet, still doing some eggs and, but I actually personally don't respond the best to a vegetarian diet, even though I love it. I grew up vegan and vegetarian, so I, I have to do some problem solving now, and I've, I've gotta figure it out on, on the side, but I just naturally just went into like, okay, I'm gonna do lentils. And I actually even ate oatmeal the other day, which is something I'd never eat, but I just,

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (03:24):
This is what happens. This is the effect of stress and fear. We have to solve this problem so we can get you back,

Brigitte Spurgeon (03:31):
Which we are gonna be talking about today.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (03:33):
Exactly. You got it. That's it. That sets us up nicely. And then just real quick, well, two things, uh, I guess I'll share. One thing is I'm actually really familiar with Red Tide because, uh, with my in-laws, uh, vacationing in Florida, that's always a concern coming in there on a Gulf Coast. And then, and we, we spent a lot of time down there. And then, um, and then actually, uh, my boys actually had to be detox from red Tide exposure. That was one of the things that was found with a, uh, with a natural health clinician down in Florida. And my family had actually had to make special trips down there to be able to do that. So it's, it's a serious thing and, and more serious than probably a lot of people take it to be. Um, and you know, maybe if they understood it, it would be, uh, they would have to limit their exposure to it.

(04:13):
And of course we don't wanna think about that, especially vacation spots and things, you know, that nature. But, um, and then a quick update for me, everybody knows from the show that I've been doing modified carnivore and parasite cleanse. We're on day 28 as of right now on that. And, uh, feeling good, except I'm really looking forward to my skin clearing up. I know that's been a thing. I've been really pushing my body hard. Uh, most people don't realize that, you know, these parasite cleanses, they're, they're not super nice to the body. So then we always follow up parasite cleanse with 30 days of detox to just help clean up those cells and just kind of clean everything out. And I look forward to that. I'm really, I really look forward to my skin clearing up and, um, not having these weird oddball aches and pains in my, in my abdomen, um, <laugh> throughout the week.

(04:57):
And side note, if you're gonna do carnivore, I'm testing both of these things actually for protocols for our patients, right? So I'm, I'm always doing the things that we recommend to people. And, um, one thing that I learned is, um, if you're gonna eat carnivore or modified carnivore, uh, don't put a whole entire big bowl of raw vegetables into your stomach in the middle of that, cuz that did not turn out well. That had me and my infrared sauna at midnight, um, praying that it would just get out of my body. So lots of distinction, lots of discomfort, and, uh, and we made it through it. But, um, you know, lesson learned and now a better coach for that. So just a bunch of real talk this morning.

Brigitte Spurgeon (05:33):
Why is that Dr. Bagwell? Is it, is it because of the, because of the enzyme shift or,

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (05:39):
I would say that definitely there's an enzyme component, but really just the rough edge and the fiber that my body, you know, this is, this is would be great for future episodes and maybe we need to dive into stuff like this in the future, but, you know, fiber not as important as it's been taught to us that it is, um, that's what's being revealed more where people are doing, doing more extreme diet like carnivore. So it's really questionable the importance of, of fiber or where, how important it really is. Um, and so my body's been doing absolutely fantastic with absolutely zero fiber of any kind, uh, minor fiber with some, you know, high antioxidant berries maybe. But, um, so some fiber, but mostly it's been fantastic. And then just dropping that bomb in there really, uh, through everything for a loop. I mean, it just kind of came outta left field and, and, uh, and I think my gut bacteria were unhappy with me.

(06:25):
So, um, that's the update on where we're at with our health journey. We'll keep sharing about our health journey and the solutions that we're finding along our way, uh, as we're continuing to teach about the hottest topics in natural healthcare. And so today we're talking about metabolism and energy and we were talking beforehand and we of course start going down different rabbit holes. But really for this episode, and there'll be more episodes, of course we're talking about this, but for this episode, we need to tell people what is metabolism? Cuz what do people think of when they hear the word metabolism right away and they kind of summarize it just in, in a half of a sentence. I feel like, what, what, what do people usually think?

Brigitte Spurgeon (07:00):
Um, weight loss or burning calories.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (07:02):
That's it, right? I mean, that's, that's what's been marketed. I mean, it's not their fault. That's what they've been told it is, you know, through the last 30 or 40 years. Right? And contrast to that simplified explanation, um, what would be your definition? Bridge it of metabolism. Um, you know, more holistically speaking

Brigitte Spurgeon (07:20):
The process by which your body makes energy.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (07:22):
There you go. And that's what ties together the energy conversation. And, you know, you, you're in agreement with this, obviously you're the, you're the weight loss guru. Both have backgrounds in biochemistry, but I I've asked thousands and thousands of people not exaggerating in workshops and just say, How many of you would like to have more energy tomorrow than you had today? Right? One of those simple questions just to get people's mindset framed around the talk. And, and it's actually people, if you said, I can take 30 pounds off, or I can give you amazing energy tomorrow to get through your day. Like, they immediately want the energy, but it's a natural tendency for that because we call it the currency of life. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, right? So this is the fuel in your car, right? That that even gives you a chance to go. Then we can worry about how we're going and where we're going. Um, and so, uh, so I just love the fact that we can apply a holistic principle, this idea of metabolism, understand how it's energy that affects cellular function. Like if you wanna fight viruses, well, you need energy. If you want to digest food well, you need energy, right? This is, this is truly, you know, this, we're talking about the just this engine, uh, this Ferrari that you've been given, and we need to quit treating it like a Hugo. That's how I like to about it anyway. But

Brigitte Spurgeon (08:28):
Energy changes everything. Energy literally changes your day, It changes the person you are, it changes your productivity, it changes your impact in this world. Energy changes your mood. It, it changes the way that you parent, It changes the way that you interact with people. It changes everything.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (08:45):
Absolutely. I've experienced that more as I've, as I've gotten older and I've been able to be more productive in my days and weeks. And I, you know, I guess I just have valued energy more and, and I've paid more attention to it and seen it go up and down. And I can really let you say about the relationship stuff. I mean, it, it's energy management has actually become my primary focus for my health. So that's been my most foundational principle, energy management. Um, and so I'm excited to talk about this and, uh, and, and share all our kind of tips, trick strategies and secrets, you know, we've been working through over the last several years, both developing the weight loss and metabo programs, but then also just living it out. So, um, so if, if we're foundationally speaking, if there was one thing that you felt like, uh, interfered with the greatest saboteur of having optimal metabolism, what would that one thing be for our listeners? Just right away? Let's go ahead and drop that out there, and then we'll start talking about some solutions over the, over this and following podcast.

Brigitte Spurgeon (09:42):
I'm gonna answer that based on looking at trend lines with our patient intake. So looking at this clinically, and from a number standpoint, I would say over the last two years, I have noticed stress being a huge impacter, and therefore I'm gonna say, um, interfering with energy production or interfering with metabolism, which then is affecting ability or inability to lose weight.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (10:09):
Yeah, right on. Right? I mean, stress, the underlying calls a 21st century disease. You can listen us, you can read the cover of Time Magazine. You know, I think it's become pretty wide widespread in its acceptance of causing these problems. And of course, metabolic diseases are rampant, right? They're, they're at higher rates than they've ever been in the history of the world we've created in the last single lifetime. We've created new diseases that didn't even exist. Metabolic diseases, you know, that didn't exist 50 year, a hundred years ago. So, um, and from my perspective, I know there, there's so many different ways that stress impacts metabolism and weight loss. Uh, I guess share with our listeners, and let's just talk for a minute about, um, how you've actually seen that play itself out.

Brigitte Spurgeon (10:51):
You know, let me give you just a current example. I literally just had LaDonna share this with me this morning. So a patient came in this week, uh, her name is Barbara, she wouldn't mind me sharing. And she initially actually had great results on our program, like decreasing inflammation in her body. She is, I believe she's in her seventies, and she, um, comes to us with just a history of, of heart disease, inflammatory diseases, um, you know, lists of medications and so forth. And so off the bat feeling amazing, but she hit a period in her program where she was getting discouraged and frustrated and probably because of not realizing her access to certain tools and, um, just not having all the information was just getting really frustrated, which I imagine causes stress and anxiety. And so, uh, she was meeting with her coach this week and LaDonna had the opportunity to answer questions to, um, give her the resources that she needed and also to pray with her.

(12:00):
And, you know, certainly the fruit of that is stress levels go down, you know, the, um, anxiety is eliminated and you're able then to come out of that with peace. And literally the next day she lost five pounds. Okay? Now that is a significant shift when you're going a few days probably without losing weight, frustrated, which then is just fueling the frustration, but then a coach is able to come in, remove that interference, so to speak, and then her body is released to do what it should be doing. And, and that was just a powerful picture. And we actually see that a lot with our patients. I, I've seen that coaching patients where they're just getting their heads a little bit or something, or sometimes it's an external thing, you know, maybe it's work or family stressor or some kind of stressor in their life, and it almost just can shut their body down. And then as soon as that stress is removed, like you, you'll see two to four pounds lost in a day. So, so, so, Dr. Bagwell, what, like, do you mind sharing with us why that would happen to a patient? Like what is going on in their body at a physiological level?

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (13:13):
Yeah, like, I think a couple of things that I'm thinking right now is just that I think people weren't expecting to hear that today on a metabolism and energy show. And yet, as, as you're saying it, I'm just, I can like roll through that physiological response in my head and give you 15 different explanations for, you know, how that's even possible. Whereas people would say, Oh my gosh, that's a miracle. Like your body's already a miracle. It already is this incredible Ferrari, right? Like, we just, we just need to treat it as such and stop putting bad gas in it and, you know, take good care of it and, you know, it'll do crazy things like that. And, um, but, but the, the, the clinical side of that is it stress just impacts absolutely every cell tissue, organ and gland the body, right? So, um, if you're, uh, you know, when you go into a stress state, your body is not focused on certain things and it shifts heavily to focus on other things.

(14:01):
So for example, uh, you're going to mobilize sugar, you know, when you go into, when you're living in a stress response and in an acute situation, that's great cuz you're gonna dump some sugar into the bloodstream and you need that quick energy. And then right behind that your body's gonna, you know, go into, uh, drop some fat into the bloodstream so you have more sustained energy. And at first, people listen to this, they're gonna say, Wait a minute, that's a good thing, right? So I wanna be more stressed so that I'm burning all this stuff up, right? But what unfortunately happens in a chronic state is the body mala adapts. Now we're increasing inflammation, now we're damaging gut health cuz our body also quit digesting food properly. Now we're affecting hormones. And now, and that's really at the crux of, I think how this patient responded physiologically is that when you have, when you're in that chronic stress state and you are constantly just, you're using up all of your resources to produce cortisol and cortisone over and over and over again, uh, which most people listening would know, that's the stress hormone and its counterpart.

(14:53):
So one, the cortisol is the gas and the cortisone is the break. And when you're stuck in that cycle, just burning all that up, now we see these women especially, but men also, this is where we see testosterone drop. This is gonna be future conversations that we're gonna have on hormones, but you know, now we see women that actually, um, you know, we'll start to become estrogen dominant or maybe both estrogen progesterone or shutting down d h e shutting down. And so their body is in this stress state, it's not even, it, it doesn't have the correct mechanisms in place to be able to properly, uh, burn fat. But also at the same time, they start to retain water, right? They're not releasing the water, their body's becoming more toxic. So now it's holding on to more water. They're pushing stuff into fat cells. Fat cells. This is going back into the detox discussion, right? So there's, there's this, again, you can talk about 15 different ways that stress makes you not lose weight at the, and at the end of the day, you know, those people that are, that are, that are stressed will, you know, lose on average a 15 to 20% less than someone in the same time period according to some of the stats that, that we were just looking up. So,

Brigitte Spurgeon (15:53):
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I just think about, I think about her body and so it's like removing the interference and then, because the thing is in this case, she is already eating reasonably low carbohydrates. So she, she's eating nutritionally the way that I would recommend someone eat to burn fat, right? So, so she is, so she's doing the right things, but what happens is the stress is causing her to dump those glycogen stores in her bloodstream. So it's not allowing her body to go into fat metabolism. So she's not having that shift, but now you remove the stress of cor, now cortisol lowers, so now she's no longer dumping those glycogen stores into the bloodstream. So now her insulin lowers and now she can go into fat burning. So she now goes to sleep at night without all this physiologically going on. And now overnight her body can burn stress.

(16:49):
So, so her body in essence switches from a sugar burning pathway into a ketogenic part pathway, which is in ketosis. Now. Now we know when you go into ketosis, your, your kidneys actually they'll start to, um, release sodium with that flushes the water. So when you talk about like water retention and flushing the water out, so she shifts into ketosis and probably wakes up in the morning like urinates a bunch or maybe even had some urination overnight. She's urinating it out. So she is partially use losing some water weight, but it's just because her body's switching into the appropriate pathway to burn fat, right? Which she needs. And then so, so let's say two pounds of that five pounds is water weight or even two and a half pounds. And then, and then the rest of that is literally fat that she's losing the next day.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (17:37):
And now she's primed for ongoing fat loss, right? She's, she's adapted back into the proper state. Yes. And I was just thinking, you know, as you were talking, I'm like, really two main things are happening there. Like one is, um, your body is your body literally will stop digesting food when you're in a stress state. It'll literally, you can cut, uh, like you can take, cut the stomach open of someone who's in a and that they'll just be partially digested food just sitting there. Um, and so you're, you can literally eat three ou in that stress state. You can be, eat 3000 calories and be completely malnourished because your body's not breaking it down and absorbing all those nutrients. So you can actually be eating, like you had said she was eating a diet that's usually congruent with, she might have been eaten perfectly, but the stress will not allow for her to get the benefits of that eating perfectly, right?

(18:20):
And then the other side of it is that, uh, because in a temporary situation, this can be good for energy and getting away from the bear in the woods, but your body will literally induce a diabetic state. Like you literally will drive you into what would be classified as a diabetic state because it's supposed to only be temporary. But then in that cr we wonder why diabetes is so rampant, you know, in the United States. Well, we, we've been stressed outta control seven outta 10 or higher stress for the last 40 or 50 years, and we're literally just cultivating diabetes right, over and over again, which then feeds the other diseases. But all of that being metabolic disorders, which is what we're talking about today, is metabolism. Yep. And, and at the end of the day, even if someone doesn't even have weight to lose, but they're stressed, they're not producing energy properly to be able to run their body, to be able to digest food, to be able to have clear thoughts, right? Yep.

Brigitte Spurgeon (19:08):
And I have to mention as you're, as you're talking about this, have to mention the state that your body gets into physiologically with grief. So you, you and I went through grief last year, um, lost a parent. I, I lost two parents last year. And so going through that personally, it, it just really highlights what happens in the body. And so that's one of the, exactly what we're talking about. Your body is in a stress state, whether you feel it or not, because I was right when you saw me going through that, I was like, I'm fine, I was productive, I was functional, but literally cortisol was causing through my bodies. And I actually had lab testing done, which showed what, what an elevated stress state my body was in my, um, LDL went up, my estrogen went, or my estrodiol went up and my reverse T3 went up, or, um, stress markers. And I, I just think about so many of our patients that we see, they've, they've lost someone in their lives. They've had a ma or had a divorce or like some ma major stressful event, and what do they see post they, they see weight gain or they, they would see a diagnosis with an inflammatory disease or heart disease or Absolutely. Or diabetes or autoimmune disease or some or cancer, Right? I got it. So common within, within five years is that there's a high incidence of cancer after a woman loses a loved one,

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (20:38):
Right? No, absolutely. Yeah. That is like an amplification of that stress response and it hits hard and fast. And, uh, and I think that that, that you're just highlighting another thing that I think's really important is like we, we aren't just clinicians, but we are, we, you know, we're, we're helping hold people accountable where, um, you know, where, where community is the word I'm looking for. And so, and it's so important to be a clinician to actually care about and love the people, not treat the condition, but treat the patient helps. And maybe not even treat, but just support and facilitate the healing of that patient might be a better way to put it. Um, and that has, that has to do with understanding their current state. And sometimes we need to be able to look at someone, give 'em a hug and say, let's take a few days off.

(21:17):
You know what I mean? And that's what I know I had to do, is I, but I had, I had to double down on, on, uh, you know, lifestyle habits, healthy lifestyle habits during that time, right? I had to focus on sleep things that are foundational, sleep, and, you know, um, energy management, like we talk about breathing, right? We talk about that a lot. And so we had to focus on those things so that I don't end up on the other side of the grief wrecked physiologically, but I also wasn't expecting to drive drop five pounds in three days, you know, when I'm dealing with the loss of a loved one, right? So we have to, you know, have that proper perspective and that decreases stress in and of itself because we're not totally freaking out and stressing out that we're not getting results that we thought we should be while we're wrestling a bear over here, right?

(21:59):
The body's not worried about dropping two pounds around the waistline when you're fighting for your life, you know, or perceives that you're fighting for your life. This is so good. This is literally, we're solving 21st century disease on today's podcast. I hope people are hearing that. And we probably could talk about this stuff for the next 30 episodes because it really does impact literally everything, stress and energy, right? Positive and negative effects, everything. But let's just go ahead and, uh, wrap up today's podcast by talking about what are our top solutions. So, um, just, just kind of simply go through, uh, your, your very first thing, most important thing that people should do if they want to, uh, improve their metabolic function and increase their energy, what would be their top focus?

Brigitte Spurgeon (22:40):
Yeah. Most people need a metabolic priming or a metabolic reset. And so you have to train your body how to use different metabolic pathways where our bodies are conditioned to use carbohydrates as fuel. But alternatively, our body can also use nutritional fat or body stored fat as fuel. And so it's teaching your body how to use those. Um, we will link a training, a 15 minute training on metabolic pathways in the show notes. So you can go into the show notes, click on that, and that actually walks through the 90 day strategy that I use, um, with my pr with my patients. It is our signature, uh, fat loss program, metabolic program in the clinic. We have other versions of it as well, but, uh, you can just go and review that for more information on how to do that.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (23:31):
Yeah, so we'll put that link in the show notes. And then, uh, my first thing that I wrote down is, we've already been talking about it, um, but address the stress was my number one thing. Um, obviously you have to address the stress, Um, and I think the first thing is, is to understand what stress really is, because it, in the wor it's that mindset first thing, right? We gotta get the mindset first. And if you're gonna tackle the cause of 21st century disease and maybe the number one underlying cause of metabolic disruption, then you better understand what it is. You, you can't just show up to the, you know, to the football field with a tennis racket and think that you're gonna accomplish anything good there. And so, uh, know what stress is, which we talk about all the time. It's this amazing, incredible and perfect response of the body.

(24:11):
Um, but if left to, you know, be day in and day out in that same stress date, it starts to cause the, the maximum destruction that you can, uh, you know, that you can cause to your body. And so understanding what stress is, and I don't like to, you know, this, you were even being careful with your words before the show. It's like, I don't like to just tell everybody take one thing, right? Cuz we're all about customizing recommendations, running labs, testing, don't guess all that stuff. Um, but there are classes of supplements that really do work across the board. Um, not the total topic for today, but adaptogens generally can be used by everybody. And our favorite adaptogen for the purpose of just helping neutralize that stress response so the body can stay fluid in its metabolic function. Uh, my favorite would be Ashwaganda. So if you're gonna take one supplement to help reduce the effects of stress, um, then you, I'll just take Ashwaganda as a baseline. And then of course, we're always available to talk, you know, we can, uh, ask questions, um, you know, within the podcast here or wherever it's posted, and we're happy to talk with you more about other recommendations depending on types of stress, um, and emotional stuff that you're going through or whatever. So number one, address the stress. Um, for me, what's your number two, Bridget?

Brigitte Spurgeon (25:21):
Always have a coach or a mentor in your life, and that could be a business, uh, spiritual, a health coach. You know, certainly within our programs, our patients get a weight loss coach. And I ju I just think in Barbara's example, if she didn't have LaDonna in her corner, you know, that weekly appointment with LaDonna, she may not have got past that point and she may have given up and then never had victory in her life when it comes to her metabolism and her weight and her inflammation. And so having a, a coach, I know even for me, like I literally used to be a marathon coach, but if I train for an endurance event, I hire a coach because it helps me focus on it better. But then in those times when I'm inside my own head, you need someone who has the bigger picture who's looking from the outside in to actually give you true perspective to speak truth and life into you.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (26:19):
That's awesome. I love that. Do the reset, address the stress, get a coach and, and broadly just be part of a community that cares about you and has the tools and, and, and, and ability to, to support you and get you to where you wanna be. And then my last, my second thing, the last thing, um, for how we would, uh, help improve metabolism, like just for everybody listening to this is I wanna say focus on your sleep. And so, so just a foundational principle, I mentioned it that it's one of the things that I've got really hyper focused on in the last year or two, um, and especially through times of grief, but, um, less than six equal to or less than six hours a night of sleep is correlated directly statistically significant increase in the likelihood of obesity. We're not talking about gaining five pounds or just being overweight, we're talking about full blown obesity at six, six hours or less that your body's fighting to push obesity, right?

(27:10):
If you're not getting enough sleep, I just don't, I don't know if I can say that strong enough for people that are listening to this like, well, I wanna lose weight, but I only get six hours of sleep a night. There may not be a stronger force next to stress itself that can stop you from being able to lose that weight, you know? So, um, so definitely address the stress. And then when we start to, and again, we're gonna talk about hormones in future episodes, but, um, with men, uh, you know, you brought this up cuz this is a big statistic for men that are in the weight loss program. Um, if you're not sleeping five hours or less per night, right? So if you're, if you're getting five or less, then you have a 25% less testosterone. And so not only is that a major problem for men in general, but now you're literally dropping lean mass, which is part of your basal metabolic rate, right? And, and part of your fat burning organ of the body and it impacts that deeply and directly. Now you have 25%, you know, um, now your lean mass is dropping cuz the testosterone drops. So you're not only are you trying to fight an uphill battle, but you're literally just basically, uh, you know, made it a slippery slope for yourself, you know, to try to get that weight off. So for me, it's address the stress, address the sleep.

Brigitte Spurgeon (28:14):
Absolutely.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (28:16):
So that's it for today's show. Um, thank you so much for listening. Uh, remember, uh, like the episode, make sure that you subscribe so you can get updates, um, to future shows. Um, also feel free to reach out to us and let us know what you want to hear about, what are the top things in your, uh, in your, uh, health adventure, in your health journey that you need more solutions, uh, for. Uh, but as for today, I'm your host, Dr. Loba. Thanks again for joining us, Bridget. Got anything to say to everybody before we check out?

Brigitte Spurgeon (28:42):
When you have efficient metabolic pathways and are optimally producing energy, you become the true, greatest version of you.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (28:51):
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