Podcast Episode 7: Top Holistic Health Hacks (with Transcription)
Jun 14, 2022
Welcome to our 7th episode of True Health Solutions Podcast with Dr. Lonnie Bagwell and Brigitte Spurgeon.
In this episode we share our experiences of living in a holistic or allopathic paradigm. Wondering what that even means? This episode gives you foundational tools to take control of your health journey.
When we believe in the body’s ability to heal, we operate with confidence and hope!
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Brigitte Spurgeon (00:00):
My toe, I, my, my toe got caught in the spokes of a bicycle and it actually got mangled and my mother tried to heal it herself with actually an herb.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:11):
Welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, stress, inflammation, and functional health clinician.
Brigitte Spurgeon (00:17):
And I'm your co-host Brigitte Spurgeon Metabolism and nutrition expert.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:22):
This podcast is where we bring hope, truth, and inspiration for your holistic health journey
Brigitte Spurgeon (00:27):
Because the world needs the best version of you.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:32):
Hello everyone and welcome to True Health Solutions podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, here with my co-host
Brigitte Spurgeon (00:38):
Brigitte Spurgeon,
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:39):
The one and only. And we are gonna talk about a fun topic today. Um, this is us, maybe to some degree getting stuff off of our chest. These are like frequently asked questions, stuff we talk about all the time, but we'd love it cuz it's transformative information, right? So that we don't mind being asked these questions. We're talking today about, uh, our top holistic health hacks. So say that three times fast. But we're gonna talk about, you know, just how, like holistic health, first of all. We gotta talk a little bit about that. Um, and, uh, and, and so like a deeper dive into, um, you know, how we've come up with or what our interaction has been with the medical paradigm versus a holistic paradigm. So, Brigitte, start us off by just helping everybody that's listening understand, uh, more of how you've interacted or not interacted with that medical paradigm that everybody's so familiar with, um, you know, with your upbringing and how that's a little bit different.
Brigitte Spurgeon (01:29):
It definitely is a paradigm and it definitely does go back to the way someone grew up the belief systems within a family. But sometimes that's even within a culture or within a country. So I grew up in South Africa, but also I grew up in rural South Africa and grew up a little bit off the grid. It was the way that my mother chose to live. And so she even, you know, and this was 44 years ago, she just knew, she felt like preservatives were a conspiracy. And so we were accustomed to living off of the earth. We drank rain water, we <laugh>, we didn't even ba we were dirty, there were parasites in Africa. We, you know, we didn't eat commercial food. We were not vaccinated. We didn't take medications, period. And that was my normal, We didn't see doctor, I actually don't know that I have a memory of going to a doctor outside of maybe something like, um, oh my toe.
(02:41):
I, my, my toe got caught in the spokes of a bicycle and it actually got mangled and my mother tried to heal it herself with actually an herb out of the garden. We were stranded, the engine en seized on this little like vw you know, the surfer vans. Like we, we literally traveled with a surf surfboards on the top and a bed that we all slept on in the back. And we traveled around the country and, but we got stranded. So she was wrapping my mangled toe with herbs trying to heal it. Well anyway, long story short ended up in the hospital for that cuz it started getting gang green. They wanted to chop my toe off, they wanted to amputate it. My mother said, No way, figure it out. And <laugh>. So that, anyway, that, that, that's a whole interesting story. But this is just the paradigm that I grew up with.
(03:30):
Never. And now I wish I had seen a dentist regularly, but, you know, didn't see a dentist. And so I, it just is not part of my paradigm to go to the doctor if I have a sniffle or a fever or a rash or something that maybe a normal person would be concerned about. Um, I just know that I've survived 44 years and I've survived through all these different things and that my body heals itself. So I, I guess I'm able to have a little bit more faith in that realm. And, you know, people are always surprised when I tell them that I have never knowingly taken an antibiotic. So I did have knee surgery when I was 17 years old and I'm pretty sure they would've administered an antibiotic for the surgery, but outside of that, I have not taken an antibiotic. So because of that, I can live with such faith that my body will heal itself. Yeah,
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (04:29):
No, that's so good. And then con stark contrasts to that upbringing. Um, I grew up into, if, if you're listening to this and you're in the United States, you might be able to relate to this a little bit more. Um, you know, where, uh, if there's a pill for every ill, uh, pills, were gonna save us pills, were gonna make us live longer. Um, you know, I had the refrigerator at home, you know, long before I could ever see what was up there. I knew that there was like a little bit the bottom of a brown box that held all of the pills in it on top of the refrigerator. Uh, you know, we even kept the expired stuff in case you needed it, you know, for later on, right? And if you had that snotty nose again, if they gave you an antibiotic the first time, that must be the right thing the second time.
(05:13):
I mean, just absolute standard American approach to the medical model. Like we were all in, they were gonna save us. You know, there was no, like, you know what? I didn't know what a vitamin was. I didn't know what I mean, it was, I just, I could talk, you could talk all day long about these crazy stories that probably we could fill up 10 episodes of just all the stories. We've talked enough about that. Oh my gosh, I so badly Wanna talk about like, some of the snakes that you were like encountering that are like on my, on my top list of snakes that I wanna see in the wild one day anyway. So, uh, so the stories are crazy. Uh, different, different upbringings for sure, right? Um, and, uh, and so, but the difference was, and I'll go right into my first hack, like my first holistic health hack, cuz it's super foundational, um, is you have, you know, if you're ever gonna pry yourself out of that, you have to start with the truth because cuz all of that was operating outta fear, right?
(06:07):
We're afraid of the bug, we're afraid of the unseen virus, we're afraid of the, you know, Ebola breakout somewhere else in the world. Like, we're just like all, everything was impressing on us, this fear of this unknown or could happen at any time. And of course we could go right into a conversation about pandemic recently, you know, where it's like this, this incredible fear based approach to, to our health and reactive and fear based. And so the first thing is, is you got to start with truth. The only way we're gonna conquer the fear, um, is to replace that with truth. And it starts with first understanding who you are, all right? If you were two cells that came together and we call that a miracle, and if the birth process happened for you, and we call that a miracle, we have to start walking in the truth that we're still a miracle today, right?
(06:54):
That if you can heal from a cut, you can heal from cancer. Um, and what I have found is, is I share these things. Most people actually wanna believe that they, they're like, Yeah, that is kind of what I thought was true, but, and if they were gonna spell it out, but the fear of the unknown has kept me in bondage to a dependency like this funky co dependency, you know, on this system that by the way doesn't have a huge success rate with a lot of the things that we run to 'em with. I mean, all in all, like we talk about how amazing the healthcare system is, but if we get the real statistics out there, right? Our healthcare system has, you know, five outta six men and women that are listening to this podcast right now dying of the same two diseases that were the same two top diseases that they were dying from 30 or 40 years ago.
(07:35):
So bottom line numbers as we're, you know, we're putting out of fear, we run to a system that really doesn't solve the problem, um, that we ran to and with. So number one is remembering who you are and that your body can heal. And just trusting that. And I always talk to patients about your emergency line for when you have to interact with the healthcare system. It's different for everybody. And so you live a life not in fear, but in truth and your, and as you have an opportunity, you know, in this case, you know, gang green was the emergency line. You had to go to the er, right? In your case, right? For me it was like, if I cough twice, it's like we run into the er. So you had an er, your mom had an emergency line that, that better take action line.
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That was like at the nine outta 10 scale, right? Mine might have been coming up at like a two outta 10. Like we hit two, we're outta here, right? We're going to the doctor. So understand the truth, your body can heal. Then the second thing is, is that, and, and I do this, this is what I do the most in the clinic, is we walk through objectively through what patients are really dealing with. So this is all part of this merit, this paradigm shift, right? And a different way of thinking. So it, whatever the symptom is, it is what it is. Until you know better, until you test, until you have objective data, you can't assume that it's 99 other horrible urgent emergent things, right? So just kind of get our, let's get our feet back in on the ground. Let's get back into reality and say, okay, what, when did it start?
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How long has it been there? You know, what, what, what have you tried so far? Do you have a history of it? And oftentimes by the time we go through all of it, it actually comes out to be maybe like a two or a three outta 10 urgency in something that's completely taxable, right? No problem. Let's go ahead and get after it. We got your answer right here. But people come in again under so much fear because they listen to the billboards or they listen to the, you know, what a doctor Google or whatever it might be. And so we have to first understand that your body can heal from a cut and it can heal from cancer. Second of all, let's just look at the truth around what's really going on right now, right? Like, let's just, you know, let's, let's dial that in and then now we're dealing with two amazing realities. Now we're dealing with the reality of who you are and ability. You can conquer just about anything and that this isn't that big of a deal. It absolutely needs to be addressed, but we're not gonna treat, you know, a cut like cancer.
Brigitte Spurgeon (09:45):
I think it's interesting to think about your health as having a comfort zone. And so we all have a certain level of comfort zone, as you can tell from my background. I bar, you know, like I, my boundaries are pretty far off that, you know, that get me into a hospital or into see a doctor. But, but I, I will say that because I'm so, I take my health so seriously and I'm, I'm so responsible, that doesn't mean I'm not researching and, and doing things. I I'm not neglecting my health. And I think that's sometimes you, you know, there may be a perception that some, that someone who doesn't take antibiotics and doesn't get vaccinated and doesn't go to the doctor for everything, there might be a perception that I am irresponsible. And I, and I have been criticized by that in recent years, you know, over the pandemic, but it's actually quite the opposite.
(10:49):
I take my health so seriously that I, I will research, I have practitioners in my corner. I had, and I have medical doctors that I, I, um, my uncle is a medical doctor and I, I respect him, I respect his opinion. We may not agree on everything, but I, I actually still seek him out and I talk to him about my medical conditions because I just want his, his perspective and the way that he looks at a situation. I value that I value d diagnostics, I value second opinions, third opinions fourth, because that's, that's how I'm learning and that's empowering me to be my own best advocate and to make my own best decisions that fit within my, my paradigm and, and my, my belief system. And I'm so confident.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (11:38):
Yeah, that's a, Oh, I was just gonna say, that's a fantastic point. That gives you confidence and that word responsibility is really important cuz, and, and if we, I think that if we could spend more time reading about and understanding how your body heals rather than listening to or reading about how disease is happening, one feeds fear and the other's gonna feed empowerment and confidence, right? And so you can then you can go into all the data, which I'm a big data guy. You like data, like we, we then we can talk to everybody again. I got a cousin that's a medical doctor. I got best friend from undergrads, a medical doctor, like I, yeah, we, we look at all, and I tell patients all the time, they'll say, Well, I don't know if I really want to go, should I go? I say go, go, go, go get more information.
(12:23):
They can do tests that I can't do. It doesn't mean information doesn't equal treatment. Information doesn't equal outcome, right? Information equals a logical objective next step in the best possible direction based off that information. And then we're constantly reevaluating and, and that, that, so, but, but again, it starts with believing that you can heal. Because if we're not anchored to that, then the information really knocks us off kilter, right? And, and then the fear comes in and then we'll just do whatever, do whatever everybody else is doing. Well, the, whatever everybody else is doing is the number one cause of death in the United States of America, right above heart disease. It's doing the medical thing at the right time for the right condition at the right, the right, the right. But it turns out wrong, right? And so first of all, it's just knowing who you are, knowing, um, you knowing, uh, what the situation is, what's presented against us, you know, against who we really are and that health crisis that we're in, whether however big it is.
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And now the how big, it's e pretty easy at that point. That's the easy part, you know? And it's like, okay, well if this is all true, um, then let's just take this simple next step. And it's incredible. It's incredible. I don't know, I'm gonna use a generic number like 80%, but so many things resolve when you just do the basics, right? And that's what this episode's about is like holistic health X most of it's just basic stuff, right? And it's, everybody wants like a new, I always make the jokes about the new Wonder berry outta the Amazon or you know, something, the thought of a rain cloud and then solve all the health problems. But the reality is, is we already know what a lot of those things are. We just don't do 'em. So what's your, um, what's your number one holistic health hack? So people listen to right now and said, Okay, what's bridge's number one thing? Give it to 'em.
Brigitte Spurgeon (14:01):
Well, I'm gonna add on to what you said because really mindset and our paradigm is foundational. And so what I've adapted over the years, you know, as a child, it was just my, I just leaned into my paradigm. I didn't know anything else. And also I didn't really have symptomatology to be concerned about. But you know, as you're an adult in twenties, thirties, forties, certainly there are opportunities to have medical concerns. And so I, I find it so fortunate that I adopted the, like, chiropractic principles. So at, I guess at this point was like 12 or 13 years ago, uh, 12 years ago. And so I have really since that point, operated with this foundational understanding and questioning of, of one, just like you said, our body was, was created perfectly and designed to heal. But I always look at the cause like I, I don't wanna chase symptoms and I don't want to just have a cookie cutter solution for a symptom.
(15:05):
I want to find the root cause of the problem. And so that's what leads me in my decision, in my research and in my solutions that I find. And it, um, and also what leads me clinically, when, you know, if a patient comes to me with a headache, I don't have a blanket response or a patient comes, you know, a ut i a, you know, whatever, it's, there's no, there's no one answer. It's, it's followed by more questions. Because as clinicians, we have to understand what is causing the problem. We can't just put a bandaid on the symptom.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (15:45):
Amen. Amen. That's awesome. And then I, I couldn't decide with my, and I, we usually give two, you know, but I'm gonna, if it's okay, I'm just gonna tackle both of my, kind of the next thing, once you believe all those things. Now let's go back to laying those foundations of, So that practical thing for me, I couldn't decide between sleep and hydration. So I just wanna talk about both of 'em real quick as one, because they, they're both of them are essential. You're going to do both. It's just to what degree you do them, how well you do 'em, and how much focus you give for 'em, how much you're fighting for 'em will really determine how negatively or positively impactful they are. Uh, and we've heard about it a million times. It's almost hard to talk about it on a podcast and be like, sleep hydration, really?
(16:24):
But I'm telling you now, after seeing 10,000 patients or more than 10,000 patients, I just, I talk about it more now than I ever had because I've seen it work so much. You know what I mean? Like, so it's just like, okay, I'm convinced and I, trust me, I'm the kind of guy that, I also wish that there was this one thing that we could all do. You know, there's, if it was just one supplement, but it, it, it doesn't work that way. And it's been a hard lesson for me to learn and shifting from my paradigm, from a pill for every ill, whether it's natural or otherwise, right? To just doing first things first foundational principles, right? And so anyway, sleep, you've got to fight for it. And this is more for me what I've come to realize. Yes. You, you probably are thinking he's gonna say that if you sleep, that's when you heal.
(17:06):
That's when your body's out of fight, flight and rest, you know? Yes. That's all true. We did whole episodes on this stuff. We're gonna talk about it probably more in the future, I'm sure, as it relates to other diseases and such. But I wanna talk about from a different perspective here. Sleep is the number one thing that keeps me emotionally grounded and it impacts positively or negatively. Sleep is the number one thing that seems to impact my relationships. So if I am rested, I interact so much better with patients. If I'm rested, it's like every day's like a day at the carnival with the team here at the office, right? It's just even with, there's fires to put out. It doesn't matter. I'm rested, I'm fireproof emotionally, I'm sound, I just feel like really connected. And certainly at home with my children, my wife, when I am tired, I am less resilient, I'm more irritable.
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And let's just, we're, we're social communal beings. And so if we lose that, if we're not, and you know, if we're not rested and we're not kind and we're not in a good mood, then we start to wreck the foundation of our wellbeing, right? Because you can have all the best food on the planet and have a terrible relationship, you know, that going on at home and it, the food doesn't matter and the food can't outrun the stress that comes from that relationship stressing, right? So anyway, so my first thing is gonna be, is gonna be fight for your rest. And some people are listening to saying, Yep, I get it. Some are saying, I'm, I'm in, I'm in the, you know, I'm fighting for it right now. And some people are listening saying, uh, I haven't slept more than four hours a night, you know, in 20 years.
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And so to those people, I wanna say like, reach out. Let's, let's talk about what we can do for next steps when it comes to sleep stuff because, uh, it will change your life. And I'll bet they know it better than anybody because they, their life's been negatively impacted by it, right? So sleep number one. I'll cut that off there cause I don't wanna take up too much time. And then hydration, I probably like this one for like, you know, uh, with a history of kidney stones, hydration's critical. So I've, I've, I've got to experience all the amazing benefits of hydration by hyperhydration out of, out of necessity at times, uh, to be able to avoid that. But also with patience. Uh, you know, we, we deal with a lot of pain, lot, all kinds of aches, pains, headaches, migraines, you name it. And when that comes through the door, every single conversa, and now again, I didn't do this for years, but now I have to talk about hydration with every one of those patients because, uh, I've seen people come in with severe fibromyalgia, uh, unregulated with medication, and we just get them to properly hydrate.
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And their pain, uh, their pain scale goes down by 50% in the first week. I mean, literally something as simple as proper hydration can break people free from some bondage to pain that they've been experiencing. And then really everybody can benefit from it because when you're dehydrated, it actually pulls fluid from the, the meniscus in your knees and all the meniscus tissue that are in other joints in your body and in your spine, your discs. It draws fluid out of that. And if you draw fluid outta those joints, two things are gonna happen. One, it's gonna hurt, and two, it's gonna degenerate 10 times faster, right? And that stuff is under, is irreversible. And so you wanna avoid joint surgeries and all that stuff down the road, stay hydrated as a foundational approach to maintaining that hill. So, um, and then another thing, hormones are affected by hydration.
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Uh, we could talk about that. Uh, so people wanna balance their hormones, but then they stay chronically dehydrated. Um, you know, and then gi like if you don't stay hydrated, that leads to ulcers. If you don't stay, you know, hydrated properly, um, then that leads to bloat and gastritis and reflux. And so one of the most foundational things, when we see people with neurological issues, joint pain, gi, these are our top patients who walk through the door, it turns out that hydration is actually the number one step foundational step that everybody should be taking to reverse and or recover from those things or prevent it altogether. So I couldn't decide between sleep and hydration, but hopefully everybody gets the idea. They're both foundational, they're both essential. They're not just good ideas. We need to be paying attention to 'em. So what's your second big, uh, Bridget's holistic health hack?
Brigitte Spurgeon (21:02):
Yeah, for me it's having a repertoire of solutions for issues that you deal with. So everyone's going to be a little bit different and, you know, if, if I were to pick some like powerful tools in my tool bag when it comes to my health and wellness and just living a vitalistic life, uh, essential oils, you know, come like there among the top of my list there, um, I was so excited to add back, you know, once again several, I think you and I added that at a similar time, several, several years ago. And it's just amazing to, you know, that that's my medicine cabinet versus ens, you know, I did the ibuprofens and the anti nor, I don't even actually know <laugh> all the over the counter things. Like my paradigm is just like, you know, I'm pretty sure I can find an oil for a lot of things.
(21:59):
And so, you know, traveling, traveling the world where we anticipate not, not having access to maybe things that we would have when we're at home in Huntersville, um, we were very strategic with our essential oil kit that we brought with us for, you know, so we went through like immune system, um, you know, joint pain, you know, like if, if my back flares up, you know, so, uh, sleep bug bites, sunburn, like we just went through all the things. So we have a natural solution for that. And I think everyone also you find like your core supplements. So, you know, for me, activated charcoal is one of those supplements that just works for a lot of things. You know, I've spoken on a previous episode about using it for a jellyfish sting. If I included that story in an episode and uh, you know, and now, you know, traveling, if I'm, if I know that I'm taking in toxins, it's, you know, I like literally just took activated charcoal last night.
(23:01):
So that's been very valuable. I don't use it as much, but I find like we recommended a lot because it's also one of those, it probably even like takes the place of some essential oils, but colloidal silver mm-hmm. <affirmative> is a, is an amazing one because of the, you know, the antimicrobial nature of it. And, um, yeah. So those, those would just be some examples. And I, I can't forget to say though, because for many years this has also been foundational for me and, um, and just a, like a foundational tool in my health, but that's getting adjusted and taking care of my spinal health.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (23:38):
Yeah, no, that's so good. We could probably do a whole episode where we just name a condition and then name what we do for it that might be beneficial for, for patients or people listening to be able to hear that. Like, what do you do for this, this, this, this, this? Cause we get that question like five times a day, right?
Brigitte Spurgeon (23:56):
It's great. I was actually think as we were talking, I was like that, that would be great. But then you have the tricky ones where it's not a one answer. It depends on the circumstances and the person. But I was just, maybe even if we just think of some of the top ones we get, and for example, I know we get the UTI thing a lot. Oh yeah. So what do you recommend for that?
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (24:17):
Yep. D manos easy peasy. Now, not, not all UTIs are e coli based, so, but if it is e coli based D manos has been amazing. Really fast acting usually to knock that out. We just had a, a little girl actually had, um, and gosh, actually it's a holistic, more holistic minded medical doctor that was trying to refer her out and do, do a bunch of drugs. And the mom just kind of, kind of eyebrow raised and it was like, man, where am I? She had kind of like, I thought I was in a more natural minded medical office and she called all frantic and kind of really scared. And I said, just like, I always say, like, I can't tell you take a medication or not take a medication. You know, if you want to ask me, you know, what have we done for our kids?
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Or you know, if you're asking me like the natural approach to these things, you know, and, and I think I might have even said, you need to go back and talk to them because you felt you had a bad experience. Don't just walk away, go back. You know, I had to have a whole conversation with her about that, but at the end of the day, she chose to use a natural means for that and it cleared right up. Actually, I heard today before we were recording, actually I was on the phone with her and she said, completely clear it up. They reran all the tests and, um, and it works, you know, so, uh, yeah. De manos for e coli and if it's not, then we really do need to see a culture and understand, you know, the approach to take from there. But
Brigitte Spurgeon (25:30):
I get the sinus infection question a a lot, especially with my weight loss patients, because when they're on their programs, you know, we, in our clinical studies, we've shown that, um, antibiotics can disrupt metabolic heal, or they do, they disrupt metabolic healing. And so if we can avoid that now, probably this is a great opportunity to say that medications are not within our scope. We do not make recommendations on to, to take or come off of medications. And we're always, because that is your medical doctor's expertise. So we're always going to, um, you know, lean into that. That's, we, we just stay away from that. However, if someone is asking me what I would do Yeah. Or asking for a supportive or an alternate solution. So for sinus infections, I, I love doing a, we call it a steamer. And so you, you boil about, you boil about a inch of water in a cup and then you can put a, uh, essential oil combination.
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So maybe that's something like breathe and on guard, uh, or an like an immune supportive blend or if you're just using, like peppermint is a good one because of the way, the way that it dilates the vessels. Lemon also just gets everything flowing. And then either like a me Luca or an Arriano that has that an the antimicrobial properties mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then even something like a frankincense in there. So just putting like a drop each and then what you do, cuz now all the steam is coming up with the oils and you cup your hands over the, over the cup and you inhale it in and what does it do? It just flushes everything out. It's, it's really powerful. And then I know, and I don't actually think I've ever had a sinus infection in my life to be honest, but my husband has <laugh>, so I know some things through, through my husband also, certainly working with patients, but I've rare, I've, I've actually rarely gotten sick my whole life. Um, but another thing in the clinic we have those, the colloidal silver, they're actually the nasal ones that you actually can. So I've never used it, but what, so I guess you pump and sniff.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (27:44):
Yeah. And ob I thought of something when you, so there's first of all those remedies, those, those at home things that we can do, you know, an adjunct to alternative to whatever the patient chooses, uh, to other interventions. Uh, these things have been around for hundreds and thousands of years, right? Like, this is not, like most of the stuff, it's, we, we pretend like it's the new thing on the block, but really it's a, it's a remake, right? So like I think Calo Silver Monk's been making that, you know, for hundreds of years, right? And using it exclusively for things. So pretty well tested. Um, always consult your physician, right? Or, or give us a call and we can do an actual consult. We can talk to you about that. But, um, and then, um, there was something else that you had said, Oh, I know what it was, is that, the other thing I wanted everybody to hear too is that we're really proud of the fact that we work with the medical community, like only through many years of co-managing patients, whether the medical community wanted to co-manage the patients with us or not only after seeing people drop 50, 60, 70 pounds or seeing patients that cancer patients even that were responding better, um, to their recovery than other cancer patients did.
(28:53):
We build relationships through results with this medical community and we're really proud of that. Um, you know, I I can honestly say I've never had, uh, a sit down lunch or coffee or whatever with someone in the region here in the medical community. And yet we co-manage patients well all the time because when you get results doing the right thing, asking better questions, like we talk about doing the right testing and get results for patients, they can't be denied. They can't be denied, and the patients are happy and healthy, then ultimately, if those people really want their patients be happy and healthy, they can only help but celebrate that. And so, um, so anyway, I thought that was important and, um, and that kind of fits with everything else that we're talking about today. Um, that, uh, holistic paradigm, uh, when you're doing these things, they're foundational, they work. Um, and then ultimately, um, you know, now the patient has a choice because they empowered, they're not operating outta fear, you know, that's what today's all about. So, and we'll do some more of these. We could probably go on, you know, for 10 more episodes with this kind of stuff. So, anything else you wanted to add for today?
Brigitte Spurgeon (29:54):
No, that, I mean, that's really the mission of this podcast is, is to be supportive as you're finding solutions for your best health and to empower you to make the best aligned decisions for a vitalistic future, not for a future, which includes fear and disease.
Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (30:12):
I love it. I love it. All right, So we love everybody. We can't wait to see you on the next episode. We'll see you then. Thanks for joining us today on True Health Solutions Podcast. Make sure that you click to subscribe. Also go to our website, www.truehealthcharlotte.com, where you can download any resources related to today's show or any future shows. And lastly, if you search for True Health Center Group on Facebook, you'll be able to join our free health community. We look forward to seeing you there.
