Podcast Episode 18: Our Top Natural Remedies (with transcription)

Welcome to our 18th episode of True Health Solutions Podcast with Dr. Lonnie Bagwell and Brigitte Spurgeon.

On this episode we share foundational tools for holistic living and rapid fire common ailments with our natural solutions.

Find out what we do to combat sinus infections, GI distress, aches and pains, UTI’s, skin issues and more

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Brigitte Spurgeon (00:00):
Be careful that you don't fall into that place for you using home remedies as a bandaid.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:05):
Welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, stress, inflammation, and functional health clinician.

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:11):
And I'm your co-host Brigitte Spurgeon Metabolism and nutrition expert.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:15):
This podcast is where we bring hope, truth, and inspiration for your holistic health journey

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:20):
Because the world needs the best version of you.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:25):
Hello and welcome to True Health Solutions podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, here with

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:29):
Brigitte Spurgeon.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:31):
Brigitte Spurgeon. And we are talking this week about, uh, this is gonna be like rapid fire machine gun session. This is gonna be jam packed with information today. Uh, today, uh, Bridget had the great idea that we would just go through what are the most common, uh, like mini consults that we do. I'm gonna call 'em, right? Like on the fly, walking through the office, like, Hey, what do you do for bug bites? Right? Hey, uh, I'm feeling a little, my son is just a little stopped up, You know, what do you think for that? And, uh, and so today's gonna be all about like our, our quick solutions to the most common problems. Call 'em home remedies, you know, call 'em, um, you know, natural remedies. Call 'em whatever you want. But this is, this is the kind of, we're gonna talk about the things that you would find in our medicine cabinet at home, um, on our counter and home, and, uh, and the things that we use most common, again, for the most common, uh, uncomfortable discomforts, whatever you wanna call it, that we encounter on a regular basis.

(01:24):
And so, um, so we have a lot to cover actually. And, uh, we're gonna develop a couple of these. Some of these are just gonna be kind of one word answers and moving on. So with that said, uh, Bridget, kind of what's the, what's one of the, I guess, most common things that you hear, um, amongst clients where, you know, you might be helping 'em with weight loss and metabolics and nutrition and these types of things, but then, you know, because you're their expert on health in their life, You know, what, what are they asking? You know, most commonly, I guess it's like, Hey, well, I got you on the phone. Do you know anything about, and what are some of those most common things?

Brigitte Spurgeon (01:57):
Yeah. And I love the relationship that we have without patients that they feel like they can text us or Facebook message us. So, yes, I, I get these interactions and these conversations, and I'll always love the opportunity to be able to share, share what I do or, or share what we do in the clinic. And, uh, so it's, yeah, it's a great conversation starter here. So, on our, uh, nutrition and weight loss programs, we, um, we get a lot of these questions because our patients know that over the counter medications can interfere with like their liver or their metabolic function. And so they wanna make sure that they're doing the best things for their body. So they're always looking for alternatives for, you know, these just, um, you know, minor symptoms and, and so forth. So I'd say the number one thing I get is sinus infections, and, you know, because that is something commonly that people are taking or probably overtaking antibiotics for, that probably a great opportunity for us to say that we are not medical doctors. We don't take the place of your medical doctors. And so we don't make any recommendations for or against, um, the, these medications. However we can give you, um, what we do, uh, when we are faced.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (03:15):
Yeah, I was gonna say, like, these are just the choices that we make. Take it or leave it. Um, you know, we defer to, uh, to whoever you make the authority in your life on working with your body to help you be as healthy as possible.

Brigitte Spurgeon (03:29):
So for sinus infections, there are, I mean, there are probably quite a few home remedies and, and what you do may be a little bit different to, to what I've recommended over the years, but one of my favorites is an essential oil steamer. So if you have, you know, just some of the main, uh, good quality essential oils in your home, this is really simple and my patients love it. Just take a, you know, about it, inch of water and h heat it. So boil it in a cup, and I don't use a microwave, but may, this might be a, an opportunity where you would use your microwave. And then, so you have that boiling water, and then you put a few drops of essential oils. So the essential oils that I'm gonna recommend are definitely get in a peppermints in there, because that's a vasodilator, and that o that opens up the vessels in this area.

(04:20):
And then, um, a, uh, probably something that is going to be antimicrobial or antibacterial in nature. So whether it's an riano or a, or a tea tree oil, get that in there. Or if you use blends, that's gonna be something like an on guard or a thieves in there for, I guess the two most popular brands of essential oils. And then even something like a frankincense or even like a cup, hi, like an anti-inflammatory. And then also a lemon is good because, um, lemon just gets things moving. So just, uh, all you need is like one drop of each. You get that nice and hot, you get the steam going, you cup your, your hands over the, over the cup so that that steam just goes into your nose, you breathe it in and ha um, have some tissues or something handy because then it just completely flushes out the nasal passages and it's getting all the mucus out. What we have to remember also when we're using these remedies or when we're addressing our symptoms, is the goal is not to stop the symptoms. The goal is to work with your, the way that your body is dealing with the issue, like the infection. So with the mucus, you're not trying to dry up the mucus, you're, you're just trying to get it flowing out. You're trying to get it out of your body, cuz that helps release the infection from, um, from your

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (05:45):
Body. Yeah, kind of in the intro there, I kind of talked about the discomforts, uncomfortableness, you know, the things that we encounter, um, most commonly in our families. And I think that's important to say that these are not, um, you know, you're, if I were to go through every single symptom that we're gonna talk about today, or discomfort that we talk about today, it's always gonna start with, are you doing all the other things right? To make your body healthy, to prevent these things from happening. For example, if you have interference with your nervous system, and so your immune system then is negatively impacted, you can do some of these things to help yourself feel better. Um, but that's the crazy cycle, right? Not getting to the calls and not ultimately making sure that your body, your most important, um, remedy is already in check.

(06:30):
Um, another thing that I was gonna say, uh, you know, is that, uh, there's like our immediate first response to any of these things, um, and our family is slow down rest. That could be like, you need more sleep overnight. It could be just, you need to lay on the couch right now, let your body rests a little bit. Um, hydrate, right? A dehydrated body is a sick body, right? So if you're in a dehydrated state, whether from an, an acute activity that you did that day or just over the past several days, where your body's more dehydrated, you have to hyperhydrate get that back. So it's rest hydrate, adjust the spine, remove interference from the nervous system so your immune system can respond the way it's supposed to. And then the other thing is, is that, you know, out of the 33 principles of chiropractic and 33 principles of health and healing, really, um, there's something, there's one of the laws that says that there's no healing, that doesn't require time.

(07:19):
And so we have to remember that too, because that's the number one rule that I talk about in the office, because it's the thing that gives people, uh, the most, um, the most resilience. When people are reminded, when patients are reminded that, hey, this might take a little bit of time, then they're encouraged to stay in there with the natural remedies in the home remedies and let their body do what it was created and designed to do. The reason why people run to medications is because they lose hope. Cuz a little bit of time goes by and then all of a sudden they lose hope in their body's ability to recover. And then they go, it's not, they'll say, Yes, I believe my body can recover, but then, you know, if it doesn't re it doesn't recover in 15 minutes or one day or whatever, then they'll run to the, to over the counter, maybe to the prescriptions.

(08:01):
And so I, I, I just wanna get those out the way because, uh, otherwise every single, uh, symptom, I'm gonna say, Well, clear your nervous system, boost your immune system, sleep hydrate, and then we're gonna go into the actual remedies. So those are important things to know so your body can use the remedies. Well, same thing if you're, if you're digested, if you're trying to, to digest something, ingest something to use for the benefit of your body, and your digestive system isn't working the way that it's supposed to, then you're not gonna get the most out of the, you know, you're gonna say, Well, that remedy didn't work for me. Well, maybe your body was in a diff dysfunctional state or a dissed state. So it couldn't actually use those natural things probably. So that's a good, another good disclaimer there, uh, for me when it comes back to sinuses, but when it comes back to sinuses here, the, I love two things.

(08:45):
Um, there's one that I go to immediately. I have one sitting on the other side of my office right now. I actually have examples of it here. Like, here's an actual spray of it. I have liquid drops for ingestion and we even have nasal injectors and it's alloid silver. And so it just kills on contact. It's, it's incredible at, uh, at ju and you can actually, again, sinus wise, you can actually use a mister right into the sinuses. It gets to where the infection is. Um, if it is in fact an infection. If it's not an infection, then it'll actually just create the positive pressure and help clear out the, the pressure and the sinuses. Um, so I love that for those reasons. Um, and then I really love a Netty pot. And so that's the little pot where you put the saline solution, you know, in there you actually put the salt in there, create a saline solution.

(09:26):
We have it right in the shower. Um, so you fill that little pot up, you, you know, plug one nose, pour it in. If no, if everybody doesn't know what a netty pot is, you pour it into one nostril, you can literally feel the pressure build in your sinuses. Um, and then you, uh, let it out, blow it out, kind of do the other side. I like that because like, the steamer idea, I guess is I love the mechanical nature of just getting the gunk out and that salt and saline, you know, solution there that actually dries it up pretty quickly. Um, and that bacteria, like we'll talk about honey later on, is another example of like that high glucose content or a high salt content. The bacteria cannot live in that environment. And so if you just dose it with high salt or high, um, and in case, so honey, if it for, you know, we'll talk about later on, but, uh, then it just can't survive in that, in that high salt or high sugar environment. And so you're getting, um, the suppression of the growth of it, you're mechanically clearing it out, you feel better right away, which is again, the whole purpose of it is to, so you can actually breathe again and take a couple press through your nose, right? So, um, so I love the Neti pot and I love the colloidal silver to, you know, again, kind of kill on contact. So those are my two favorite solutions. What's, what's your next, uh, what's the next symptom that we want to tackle next? Next discomfort.

Brigitte Spurgeon (10:39):
Well, how about just real quick because it ties into that one. What about sore throat?

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (10:43):
Yeah, sore throat. So, uh, I just talked about honey. Yeah, you're right, it does tie right in. And so we love honey cuz it soothes, right? So you could do honey, lemon, honey, lemon, ginger, uh, you know, honey lemon, apple cider vinegar, all those types of solutions that you can make into a glass, warm or groom temperature. Either way. Um, they're all amazing at soothing. And again, kind of, you know, kind of suppressing the growth. The thing about honey, uh, that I think everybody sh honey is super powerful. I love it. Uh, I'll never have a home that doesn't have honey in it because we use it for so many different things. But you can literally have, you can literally put it on a cut and it's antibacterial because again, just the bacteria cannot grow whe when you've smeared the honey on it, you know?

(11:25):
And, and that was actually used for, for centuries. Honey's been used for things like that more than consumption even. And so, um, so anyway, so, you know, love, love the for sore throat, love the honey, and again, you know, then I would use the, uh, the spray bottle of the coital silver where we can actually spray it right to the back of the throat. So if there's any bacteria back there, just gonna again kill it or suppress the growth of that. So, um, those are my favorite two things for any kind of sore throat and that they're usually really quick. And, and another thing we could say too, I, we mentioned adjustments and sleep and hydration and time and essential oils. You could probably include that in the group of like what you always have to go to. Uh, cuz there's always an oil for that, whatever that is. Right? So what do you like for a sore throat?

Brigitte Spurgeon (12:07):
Yeah, I, I do the on guard, I just put it right here and it, it normally knocks it right out. And, and then also just, yeah, sipping on, on a warm liquid. So depending on where you are, if you are on a metabolic program, you may not be able to do honey for a temporary amount of time. And then our patients will just do like the lemon juice and apple cider vinegar. I love adding some fresh ginger root into that or, you know, just do some hot teas. Really soothing for that. So

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (12:39):
Good, good deal. Keeping with the same theme, let's jump into upper and lower GI symptoms. How about that? We're just gonna go straight on through. So, uh, so upper, uh, upper GI and digestive, So let's say we have an upset stomach or a little bit of an upset tummy, right? Um, I, this is where sipping on water resting, right? These are, this is where this really comes in handy, right? So that we're not continuing to upset. Um, another thing that we could say as a standardized approach to which goes for every single thing we're talking about is in our home, we immediately cut out the sugar and carbohydrates. So just the sugars, the carbohydrates, they're immunosuppressive, um, you know, they're pro-inflammatory. So whatever it is, if we have any of these things, we're just, you know, um, you know, we're just definitely gonna limit those right away.

(13:25):
Um, and I guess I say that because if you, you're gonna go lay down and we might use some peppermint or ginger, um, and we have some different blends of herbals, uh, that we use sometimes, um, for that. Um, and we go to the essential oil in this case most commonly the digest sign, um, you know, is one that we use. And in fact we don't ever travel, um, without that one. Uh, that might have been where you were going with the, with the upper GI stuff too there. But, um, those will be the most common things we would use.

Brigitte Spurgeon (13:52):
And apple side of vinegar, you can take a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar, um, in some water before meals. If you're someone that, that gets like acid reflux or have some of, some of those types of symptoms, that's great as well. And then, um, also, uh, you may have mentioned this like a digest, like digestive enzymes before, before your meal can be good for some of the like a bloating or some of those symptoms.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (14:17):
Yeah, and that's, and that whenever we get into digestive stuff, like we're really sensitive. Like there's a couple things like peppermint or essential oils that can help in those acute moments. Again, we don't travel without it, you know, cuz you don't, you know, you don't have access to all your normal supplements maybe or whatever. But, um, and food's gonna be different and you know that. Uh, but whenever it comes to digest system, I'm super sensitive. Like we, we, that is something, if you have any digestive symptoms whatsoever, you should be running a stool test like yesterday. It's my favorite test, honestly. People who don't have digestive symptoms, I still prefer that they, they run a stool test cause it's so foundational for everything else. It's foundational for the having a healthy immune, uh, immune response, having a healthy inflammatory response, producing proper neurotransmitters to help with things like anxiety, depression, brain fog, and focus issues. Um, I could keep going on. I mean, but so, so stool test is, it's x-rays and a stool test by far are the two most valuable tests that I've ever come across, um, as a clinician. So these, if it's a little bit of an upset tummy, you know, that's going on, um, you know, then, you know, obviously it's quick remedies, uh, for that. But if it's, if there's something, anything chronic or anything that's been going on for more than a few days, it's time to do some testing.

Brigitte Spurgeon (15:29):
It's also a great opportunity to say that, be careful that you don't fall into that place where you're using home remedies as a bandaid.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (15:38):
That's a great idea. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And if you're, and if you are going into this thing, quote healthy, and you're eating clean and you're sleeping and you're getting adjusted and clearing your nervous system and you're hydrated and you know, and this stuff is still persisting, like, you know, then it, we're, we're beyond the home remedy phase already, right? We need to be doing some testing, good deal. And then lower gi um, there's a lot of things you can do for lower GI depending on what we're talking about, right? Is it constipation? Is it diarrhea? Is it, uh, is it brought on by something or was it completely, you know, unknown cause uh, so that, that, that requires a little bit more of a consult in my opinion. So I really only have, one thing that I can say is generally universal when it comes to that, and I'm gonna say camomile.

(16:22):
And so, um, and so, and we have a, we have, we have camile, um, uh, blends, uh, of herbals. We have straight camomile. Uh, it does it, it is probably the most universal lower digestive kind of solution that we use for patients. Um, again, hydration. I mean there's so many things that need to be in place when we're talking about this, but I like camomile. Um, and, and you can get it obviously in the form of camomile t now the difference between like a camomile t versus maybe a camomile tincture is like a hundred x concentration. Um, so if you're having these kinds of symptoms, then um, you know, then, uh, you could try some tea. But just understand that if you tried the tea, that doesn't mean that you tried the tincture <laugh>. Cause that's one of the most common things I hear. It's like, well no, I've been drinking camal tea and it didn't change anything. Well let's try the tincture anyway cuz then we'll really have tested it and no, um, if it's gonna help or not. So what's your favorite solutions for lower gi uh, lower GI issues?

Brigitte Spurgeon (17:18):
Magnesium's a great one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, you know, taking the recommended dosage at night, uh, before you go to sleep and, and then you have the added bonus of that can benefit your sleep as well.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (17:29):
Yeah. Magnesium's one of our universal remedies, right? It's on our list of, uh, of must-haves in the home and it definitely helps with constipation for sure.

Brigitte Spurgeon (17:38):
Yeah. And, and just, you know, like we said earlier, it's the foundational things too are, uh, of getting adjusted and then also being hydrated. So if you're constipated and you don't drink a lot of water, like, you know, drink a gallon of water one day and just see how, see how you do that.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (17:56):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This is one of the, definitely, like I said, this is one of those things. I agree that's, uh, with what you said as well, that this is a foundational thing. Uh, I mean, babies, when we adjust them, they fill diapers and it's not quite as effective in the adults, but it's pretty close. You know, we start moving bones stimulating the nervous system that go to the bowel, people go to the bathroom better. It just, it has happened a lot <laugh> over the, over

Brigitte Spurgeon (18:19):
The years, can even try some alkaline water.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (18:22):
Yeah. And that'll help move things like in on the temporary, That'll definitely help move some things quickly too. Yep, absolutely. Um, and, uh, and magnesium's also good for stress, right? So this is Epsom salt. People aren't, aren't familiar with that. That's generally what's going on. There is, uh, is they're having magnesium baths very relaxing for muscles, but also it relaxes the muscles of the colon, which allows for you to go to the bathroom there. If that is in fact the cause of any constipation. Um, great for muscles, right? Just muscle recovery, that kind of thing. So magnesium's phenomenal. Um, I like the soaks and I like the ingestion. Be careful with the topical. That's the one thing I'll say about magnesium topically because it will burn, it will cause ridiculous itching. Sometimes it has to do with if you have a deficiency. Um, but if you don't know, if we haven't tested, then, you know, just be careful with a lot of the topical stuff on the skin. So, um, what else do we have here? So we tackled magnesium. Um,

Brigitte Spurgeon (19:20):
Let, let's do ladies, let's, let's do, uh, UTIs and, and menstrual cramps. So why don't you do UTIs and I'll do menstrual cramps.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (19:27):
Okay, sure. So, uh, so uti, uh, again, stopped feeding the bacteria sugar. So this is, uh, instantaneous. Like as soon as I suspect that I would have a uti, then we're just shutting that off completely. Um, and then ironically, we're gonna use a form of sugar to rectify it in most cases, which is called D manos. Most people are familiar with D manos. If you've ever had a UTI and you went to the store to get any kind of a solution there, it's gonna be typically up the base of it, it's gonna be, uh, d manos. Um, and that works for, and this is just a little bit of a, a tip that works for, uh, primarily the e e coli UTIs, which are, are the most common. I think they're like in the 80 to 90% of the time it's an e coli based uti. If you take D manos or any of those typical over the counter blends that have D mans in 'em and it's not working, then that could be indicative that it's not an e coli infection. Uh, you need to go see your doctor right away, get tested so you can know how best to, to, uh, to address it. So women though, I mean, have been tackling UTIs for decades, you know, using D Manos, uh, very effectively. Um, and I think it's even a part of some medical treatments for it too, so,

Brigitte Spurgeon (20:33):
Hmm. Uh, so for menstrual cramps, um, that this is a patient to patient solution because of the prevalence of hormone imbalance and, you know, inflammatory conditions mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and that there can be so many things going on in, in the body. And, you know, in my opinion, it's just so important to address these and get lab testing done because they can have serious ramifications. Um, you know, not like, not just infertility years, but you know, beyond like these, these things follow us for decades, right? So, um, so however, if it's just dealing with some monthly cramping, I'm happy to let you know the, the things that have worked for me. And I think over the years, different things have worked for me because then some things are that work 10 years ago don't work anymore. And the reason for that is because my hormones have changed and I'm dealing with a different root cause.

(21:27):
Um, but I really, a, um, a common one for me has been, uh, a traumatic or curcumin to decrease inflammation. I've used, uh, frankincense to decrease inflammation, whether that be internally or abdominally. Um, even in the past, uh, and I, I don't use these anymore, but in the past I used to put a drop of the frankincense on the tip of an organic tampon. Or you can even do that in a, like, on an organic pantyliner, um, or just topically on your stomach. There are some, there is another essential oil blend that, uh, a lot of women have said works really well for them. Um, but I probably won't reference that just because once again, I, I don't know what your, um, hormone imbalance is. And then there are some herbals that I have used in the past that have been incredibly effective and those would be great to look into. But, but once again, tho um, those are some remedies that are specific to the hormone imbalance. So I dunno if you wanna speak to that any Dr. Bagwell, but I, I don't wanna make a recommendation and then someone does the wrong

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (22:34):
Thing. Yeah, that's safe. And, and, and the bottom line is that they work, right? And that's, that's the, that's why we can't recommend it because they actually work. And it's not to be secretive about it or anything like that, it's just that, uh, we, you know, we do pre and post labs. We're helping women with different things and we, you know, and we actually see it change estrogen levels or progesterone levels. And so to recommend something that we know actually does have that type of an impact on the steroid hormones or, you know, female male hormones, um, then we, you know, obviously it would be, um, it would be, uh, uh, potentially dangerous, right? To actually manipulate someone's health in the wrong direction. So, uh, we don't wanna cause problems for in the effort of decreasing cramping and cause other issues. So, um, but anyway, so yeah, so well said. Um, there's lots of great, again, like this is, I just think about the, in my head of all these things, I just think about the travel stuff, right? If I'm, if I'm on vacation in Florida, I have none of my normal stuff, right? And I don't have access to all my, my apothecary of liquid herbals that I would normally use, that I know change labs, you know, what would I do when I'm on the road? And essential oils just really do help out a lot with those things I know for sure. Um,

Brigitte Spurgeon (23:41):
And the cur is a great one too.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (23:44):
I was just gonna

Brigitte Spurgeon (23:44):
Say. Yeah. So, you know, my thing is, years ago my menstrual cramps were so bad and years ago I used to have to take, this is terrible, but a total in a day I would take 800 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day for two to three days just to be functional so that I can work. And I just realized like that it was so incongruent with what I believe about health and about my body. And for me it ended up becoming this spiritual thing where I just almost felt God say to me like, You don't need that anymore. Just trust and just do something different. And that's what I did. And I over, you know, the last, um, let's call it seven years, I can, I can count the number of times that, that I've had to take, uh, an over the counter. So the, you know, the curcumin I travel with that I have that in Ireland here with me and the curcumin is my go-to.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (24:36):
Yeah, right on. And that, that, that curcumin and curcuminoids is the active ingredient in turmeric, um, or term turmeric, however you say it. And, uh, and so that's the anti-inflammatory property. And then turmeric in general is supportive of liver detox. And we can get into whole physiology of how important that is for inflammation. So there's lots of, there's lots of benefits, uh, at different levels of what you'd be taking there, using it to cook in your food in case of turmeric or actually taking the curcuminoids in the form of a supplement, you know, lots of, And it's amazing for just aches and pains in general. Uh, we actually have specific ones now in the office where we have, um, like I have one here that's, um, it's, it's, uh, turmeric plus heart complete. So it's actually the turmeric with all of the heart healthy supplements all blended into one for inflammation as it pertains to cardiovascular health.

(25:23):
And then I have ones that are specifically for pain and, but some that you take in the morning for the day and some you take in the evening before you go to bed. And so now we're even getting more specific about which ones you would take when you'd take it, and having even more support for the aches and the pains and stuff like that. And then when it comes to aches and pains, uh, also, I mean, I'm, I'm gonna, I'll, I'll give the bottom line on when it comes to joint pain and soft tissue problems here in a second. But, uh, deep blue is another essential oil based thing from doTERRA. Um, and I, I mean, gosh, I don't, that is like top five. Like I'll never not, not have that when I travel or whatever because, uh, it's incredible, you know, how, how effective it is so much better.

(26:01):
And think about this as a chiropractor, I've had every chemical thrown at me to give to a patient for aches and pains, right? That's just, that's, I mean, marketed weekly, you know, for 16, well, 20 years, even in school, they give you free stuff cause they want you to sell it. And nothing has outperformed deep blue. Deep blue is also not even remotely as toxic as the high majority of all those things, right? And it actually has healing properties and it actually has oils that promote tissue healing, not just numbing. And so for me, it's like it wins. Every checkbox gets checked when it comes to what you put on your body, you know, for aches and pains in, in the form of that deep blue. So I love it. I'm a huge advocate of it, uh, patients. And again, you know, if you're doing right, things that tube will last years, you know, it's not something, you know, it's not even expensive when you think about it like that, you know, you pay 30 bucks whatever it costs.

(26:49):
And then, um, and if you're doing the right things, and then, and speaking of right things, if someone has think, uh, nowadays, um, they'll have, if you have shoulder injury like before, if old days, if you had shoulder injury, they put you in a sling, right? Or arm or something like that, and immobilization was the standard. Well, nowadays they don't do that. Be we've been preaching it for decades. Um, but finally even the medical model has caught up with this idea that mobilization actually promotes healing. It might not feel as good to move it, but the more you move it, you know, as close to the injury, uh, as close as the, um, the trauma maybe in the case of a shoulder injury that you can start moving it, it'll heal that much faster. So rather than coming out of a sling in two weeks and then taking another two to four weeks to recover from an injury, maybe it's a total of two to three weeks and someone's already, you know, 80% recovered from that same, uh, traumatic injury to their shoulder.

(27:43):
And my point in saying all this is, is that motion heals. We can't look past some of the most basic fundamental principles of how God created the body. And yes, it's good to use deep blue and yes, Turk is amazing for, you know, inflammatory response and we use those things, but if you're not moving it, you cannot out supplement the lack of motion. But if you are moving it, you will heal according to all the medical literature and now their standard of care, even they finally caught up, right? If you start moving it, then you will heal faster. And that goes with muscles soft tissue again. And that doesn't mean like, I pulled my hamstring so I better stretch it, right? Sometimes overstretching is bad, especially in the, in an acute injury, we could probably do a whole episode on all this stuff, but, but what, But you wanna keep it moving though. You don't wanna lay around with a, with a injured hamstring and just pop it up on a couch and don't move it, right? So motion is essential for quick recovery. Anything to add for aches and pains there?

Brigitte Spurgeon (28:41):
No, I think that's great. And I add Franken senses on that. I've just had a little bit of a disc flare up myself and I used deep blue and then after the deep blue up with the frankincense on that, and then I did the, the curcumin as well. So, okay. Once again, those items that I'm traveling with Good around the world.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (28:57):
Yeah. Right on. And then advanced pain, let's talk about that for a second. So let's go pain beyond your aches and pains, your normal pains, and even like a severe disc injury. Um, or, um, you know, or even we give, uh, and what we're talking about here is C B D, uh, we give high concentrated CBD even for like cancer patients that have like deep boring pain that nothing can touch and the medications aren't working. And they've actually come back to us and said, this is the first time that I've, you know, had a, any reduction, Maybe it's a 20% reduction, but even the high potency painkillers weren't doing anything, you know, for the deep boring pain that they were experiencing. And so, um, so for, for the more severe type things. Also CBD is one, like magnesium, like vitamin D uh, you know, CBD is one one of those things that seems to have these, these multiple effects.

(29:43):
And again, will always make like the top five list of what I travel with because they have such a, such a diverse, a positive impact. Um, but the CBD also helps with things like sleep. It actually helps with digestion. There's actually the endocannabinoid system, um, that's in the, the, the cannabinoids in the cbd. There's an endocannabinoid system inside the body that really works for the, for the digestive health and gut health. And so, um, so anyway, so there's so many different, um, benefits of CBD pain. I think I mentioned sleep, but it's, it's the number one thing that I use for actually helping people sleep. And everybody doubts it. And the stuff that we use isn't super cheap, but when they sleep for the first time, you know, in days or weeks, then they'll be like, I don't care. You could just, I'll take all of them <laugh>. Right, exactly. I'll throw the whole shelf out. So, and that's when your body heals. And so we, we, you know, while again I've been helping people sleep better with adjustments for 16 years, you know, whatever, uh, 1.4 million thrust later, but in this acute scenario, when you need that support and you're doing those other things and it's not working, you can use the CBD and help for sleep. So anything to add for sleep, for anything with pain or sleep there?

Brigitte Spurgeon (30:50):
No, those are great. Okay. I'll switch gears a little bit and Yep. Uh, you know, one that I'll mention just cuz I work with my patients on this a little bit if it comes up is like related to e energy. It's perceived energy, but it's not actually, it's like this weakness or this dizziness. And sometimes people think that it's low blood sugar or hypoglycemia, and I find that a lot of times that people's electrolytes are low. And so, um, one go-to that we do is a, a pink salt shot. And so just like, remember this in your tool bag is, especially for athletes, if even if you just had a day in the gar the yard and you've been sweating a lot, you've been working hard and yeah, maybe you have even been hydrating and you're like, man, I just, I I feel a little bit woozy or something, you, electrolytes could just be low. And so taking like half a teaspoon, even a quarter of teaspoon of pink salt, putting in a, in, in a glass and putting some, you know, tap, um, not tap but um, room temperature water or some warm water in it to dissolve the salt and just taking, taking a shot of salt is a great remedy.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (32:02):
That's good. I like that. I like that a lot. Um, you mentioned energy, another thing that I'll, I'll throw out there is a lot of people will take B vitamins, um, you know, for energy, right? That's probably one of the most common supplements. Somebody came in today said, Well, you look at my supplements, the first thing I pull out, it's B vitamins. And, um, and we don't, I i we don't give out any B vitamins really. I mean it very rarely because if you're going to take B vitamins, we actually recommend just taking grass fed beef liver capsules. So I have a, I have a something right there. And so, um, that actually has basically a multivitamin built in almost, uh, but it has high concentration of B vitamins cuz there's a lot of B vitamins that are found in the liver. And uh, and so not only would you get the benefits, the energy boost from having those B vitamins, but you're gonna get better liver function, which is, you know, the home of fat metabolism, detoxification, et cetera. So, uh, you get so much more bang for your buck and you get the B vitamins used appropriately where they're needed. Um, instead of just artificially manipulating the body, you actually get good organ support to have natural energy. So I like that a lot.

Brigitte Spurgeon (33:03):
I believe we would feel comfortable like recommending that people take a liver, a good liver supplement, like I would recommend that over a, a multivitamin all

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (33:13):
Day long day of the week. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember the last time was I recommended a multivitamin for anybody. I mean we do liver and by the time you're taking two or three supplements, if they're good quality, if they're, especially if they're complexes or if they're like naturally organic harvested herbals, you're actually getting so many minerals and vitamins in those as well then you're actually, they don't realize it. But you know, in our office you're, it's like you're getting a multivitamin for free if you're taking two or three other things. So, um, yep. So I love that. Uh, let's see what else we have here. Uh, antibiotics, like again, we can't tell you to not take an antibiotic or take an antibiotic. Um, we haven't taken antibiotics in our home and I just don't even know when, I just don't have a memory of it.

(33:52):
Um, but uh, we are, again, essential oils blends, like different ones, help with different things. Um, not claiming, you know, that it's an antibiotic in and of itself. We're just saying that they can be supportive of a, of a natural healthy immune response to an infection. I think that's the way I need to say it. Um, and the other thing is, is we'll take whole clothes of garlic, um, and we just swallow 'em hole cuz they have the, what's called ail is actually an active ingredient in garlic, uh, that is antibacterial in nature. Um, and so, uh, so it, you know, you you you get the broad spectrum antibiotic effect from that ail. We even have, uh, capsules that are just concentrated ail as well. So sometimes we'll we'll use garlic or essential oils for that. Any suggestions there or be more specific?

Brigitte Spurgeon (34:39):
Nope. No. Cuz I've, I don't, I've only taken antibiotic once in my whole life and <laugh> Yeah, I don't have to deal with that too much. What

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (34:49):
About we don't, and we don't take anything like that either. I mean, just so we have it, we like if we're feel like we're fighting something, we'll take some garlic, but I mean, again, this is mostly patients that are, you know, kind of just getting into the natural health world. We start to kind of transition them away from other things that they would've done, um, and, uh, you know, want 'em to start to experience it. And that's just a really effective one where they can really get some wins. What were you gonna say?

Brigitte Spurgeon (35:13):
Uh, well what I was thinking is if you are someone who has taken a lot of antibiotics in recent years or in your life, then we also would highly recommend a stool test because how that affects your, your microbiome and, uh, your microbiome is foundational to, to your health. And, um, that has a, a huge, a significant effect on that

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (35:35):
Without, without a a doubt even one round of antibiotics. There's incredible, uh, stats out there. I just shared it, uh, on some of the raising healthy family videos that I did for our, for our personal, our private group. Um, and, uh, and we even talked about that, you know, about how, uh, asthma and allergies and all that stuff, even just one round of antibiotics and it increases the likelihood of those conditions significantly. Um, what else I have here, last few things. We have, uh, um, cinnamon is great for blood pressure and uh, blood sugar. So actually you told me that a few years ago. Um, and then I've used it and um, and it has been really effective, uh, for those things, which is awesome. I've actually done it and measured it on a glucometer. And then, um, you mentioned one that I didn't think of, but you'd absolutely right.

(36:20):
So much dermatology things in general. Let me just say that I, I think probably one of the top five most common questions I get is something to do with the skin. And I always tell people the same thing. Like, I would never wanna be a dermatologist. Like there, it seems like there's like one page of the actual things that are wrong with the skin and then like 7 billion pages of all the things that are normal, but look different <laugh>. And so it's like, so it's like reading an x-ray sometimes it's like there's normal x-ray and then there's 75 volumes of all the things that look abnormal, but they're really okay. And so, uh, but dermatologically um, it bites you mentioned earlier, uh, pre-show that is a common one. Um, I didn't know anything other than lavender and then you said lavender and so that was perfect. So is there anything else like skin or talk about sunburns or bites or just anything topical for skin health, I guess in general?

Brigitte Spurgeon (37:07):
Yeah, lavender oil's been my go-to, especially traveling. I, I feel like I had some, a lot of bug bites recently actually. So, so that's been great. Or you know, apple side or vinegar can be good as well because of the way that the pH interacts and sun sunburn, uh, you know, a pure alle and you do have to read the ingredients because a lot of them, um, aren't good. Lily of the valley is, is a good brand on that

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (37:32):
Lot of chemicals added to your alle topical

Brigitte Spurgeon (37:35):
Stuff, sadly, sadly so, but, but Lily of the valley's a good brand and you can get that in like whole whole foods and I've even seen that internationally actually. Oh good. Um, even just using a lavender or a, I know frankincense oil is expensive, but I'll use a frankincense oil because my skin is worth it. I do not want to get skin cancer. Um, in fact I'm going for a check in a couple weeks, uh, with all the travel and, and then the other one I mentioned just cuz it relates to the skin, but because a symptom of certain toxicities, whether it be from the natural environment from a plant or a jellyfish or something that, you know, that injects toxicities into your body or if it be from chemicals. But if you break out in like, hi, like hives or a rash, so have like a histamine response or something, then I remember I was actually with you Dr. Bagwell on a team, uh, beach vacation and I got stung by a jellyfish and I actually started having some major symptoms where I thought I was gonna have to go to the er and then you were like, wait a second, you're having a histamine response. Cuz I started getting a rash mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And what did we do? We, we did activate a charcoal.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (38:49):
Yeah, that can't be overlooked. I've actually have a friend who got a brown recluse spider bite and refused to go to the doctor and, and that's the kind of spider bite that actually will bore a hole in like, it was in his thigh. So it's actually like digging a hole. This chemical was this toxicity, It was like, but he actually packed it with bentonite clay and, and uh, activated charcoal and actually drew all the toxins out and it actually healed beautifully. And again, I'm not telling people to do that. Like, I'm not saying, you know, tough it out and, you know, don't consider medical intervention for something like that, but I'm just, it speaks to the power of a natural remedy like charcoal and Benton, like clay. It's not something just to be dismissed. And that's what we run into with a lot of these things.

(39:29):
It's like, again, there are antibiotics, there are super powerful and, and I, and I think God for life saving interventions from the medical model. Um, and, uh, but when it comes to some, a lot of these things, the problem is, is that they're so dismissed, like, oh, that doesn't do that, that doesn't do this. But it, they do, they actually do do some amazing things and they have for hundreds of years, they're more tested on actual humans than many of the things that are released today in the medical community. And so, um, but they just may, they may not be as potent or as powerful. Like of course, you know, there's vitamin D does an amazing job of causing apoptosis and helping, you know, defeat cancer cells, but nobody's gonna say that vitamin D is the same power as a, you know, chemotherapy derived from Nap pal, right?

(40:07):
So perspective is important with all these things, but do not dismiss these things. They're powerful. And something as simple as an activated charcoal rubbed on the skin will absolutely draw toxin out. It just, it'll do it every single time. And, uh, does it do it as quickly as debridement of the skin in the medical community? No, it doesn't. But if you're looking for a natural remedy, if you're traveling, you know, maybe you find yourself, we do a lot of backpacking and, and spend a lot of nights in the woods. I have a lot of these things in my medical, uh, first aid kit or whatever because when we get out there, you know, you don't have the luxury of, you don't wanna pack out four miles, you know, to go spend 30 minutes in the ER for something simple, right? And so we have a lot of natural remedies that saved us tons of, you know, hauling stuff back and forth out of the wild and, and, uh, and so it's just really been a blessing to us to, to have this knowledge. And we hope that it's a blessing for everybody today that got to listen to the episode. Hopefully you're hearing this part of it after we had that little software glitch. But, um, but, uh, but anyway, thank you very much for tuning in with us, uh, here on True Health Solutions Podcast. Bridget, anything you wanna add or say before we check out this episode?

Brigitte Spurgeon (41:08):
No, this has been fun. I hope this is a great resource for everyone.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (41:11):
Great. And as always, uh, ask questions, contact us if you have suggestions or comments or if there's other conditions we could do a whole other episode with a whole new set of symptoms that we'd be happy to go through and talk about natural remedies. So any suggestions from our listeners, please let us know. Otherwise we love you and we'll see you in the next episode. Thanks for joining us today on True Health Solutions Podcast. Make sure that you click to subscribe. Also go to our website, www.truehealthcharlotte.com, where you can download any resources related to today's show or any future shows. And lastly, if you search for True Health Center Group on Facebook, you'll be able to join our free health community. We look forward to seeing you there.