Podcast Episode 21: Is Thermography for you? with Dr Katherine Wassung (with transcription)

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Katherine Wassung (00:00):
So that means that what we see, we typically see about eight to 10 years before the anaco anatomical studies can actually see

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:09):
Things. Welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, stress, inflammation, and functional health clinician.

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:15):
And I'm your co-host Brigitte Spurgeon Metabolism and nutrition expert.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:20):
This podcast is where we bring hope, truth, and inspiration for your holistic health journey

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:24):
Because the world needs

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:26):
The best version of you.

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:30):
Hello, hello, and welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. My name is Bridget Spurgeon. I am your host today stepping in for Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, and I have a special guest for all of you. I'm super excited to welcome the dynamic, Dr. Ka. And you know what, Dr. Kat, you are actually gonna have to pronounce your full name because I probably will, will completely but it, But let, let me go ahead and just, uh, share a little, a little bit about you for our audience. So, I've known Cat for, gosh, a few years now, actually, maybe four or five years. I have been seeing you for my thermography appointments. Uh, you have been a welcomed part of our clinic coming in, uh, once two, maybe even sometimes three times a year to, uh, to serve our patients, um, and taking care of their, their breast health and their, their general wellness.

(01:33):
So we really appreciate knowing you, Dr. Kat. Dr. Kat is a, a doctor of natural health, right? And you have advanced certification in, uh, in clinical thermography, and you work in the Charlotte area, um, with one of my favorite doctors, Dr. Phil ar um, shout out to him, uh, in Matthews, North Carolina. So, welcome, Dr. Kat. Thank you for being with us today. We are excited to have a conversation about women's health and about medical thermography. So, Dr. Kat, will you one, share, um, your full name so that we can get that pronunciation and then just share a little bit with our audience, um, how you got into this field and why you so passionate about what you do?

Katherine Wassung (02:24):
Great. Well, thank you, first of all for, uh, the privilege to be here. You know, women's health is my, that's my thing. And, um, I absolutely love any, any time I get to share. It's, it's, it's so important that, uh, women, um, get their power back and stand their ground in today's world, especially. Um, my full name Cath, Dr. Catherine Wang, and that's with a G on the end, Wang. Um, it's German, not Chinese <laugh>. Um, I, you know, when I was getting my doctorate, uh, years ago, I realized that there, that thermography, I had been doing thermography myself for a very long time, but I felt like the legs underneath, um, what I wanted to do, needed to be thermography. And the more I studied, the more I realized that was absolutely the truth for me to, demography is just such a, um, a, a great health discovery tool, um, and it just enhances other things that we're trying to do.

(03:30):
And so, um, uh, the, the main thing that got me into the health field was my mother, who was, um, I, well, she miraculously got healed of a cancer that they gave her, uh, six months to live, and she lived 14 more years. Um, but the, she died from a, a radiation poisoning actually. And so radiation has been, pun intended, my hot button for a long time. And I've done a more than a decade's worth of studying radiation and, um, trying to direct people, um, to a healthier, um, health study, which is what thermography actually does. It, it's, um, it's safe, it's effective, it, it's these things years before a lot of the anatomical studies can, and I just find that to be brilliant. And, um, it's an opportunity for people to make control of their health at an early stage and make changes because the body is such an amazing thing. It's such a fantastic, um, thing that we have. The, the way the body is designed to heal itself, I think God just gave us great, um, opportunity to take care of ourselves all by ourselves. And that's so wonderful. So my job, I feel, is to empower women to, to know that about themselves, to know how wonderful wonderfully they're made, um, and, and to help 'em in their journey, uh, you know, as an advocate. So,

Brigitte Spurgeon (05:02):
Yeah. And, and that's actually a word that I definitely use for you. You're, you're a clinician, you're an educator, a leader, and you're a woman's health advocate. So thank you for that. I really like, I can see how God has worked in your life, and I can see how every that you have stepped into your calling and you walk in your calling every single day, uh, there's no doubt that you wake up with passion and purpose and it comes out what, you know, I've been the patient on the other side. I've been the patient in the room with you, and you, you know, you are, you have conviction, you have truth, you have compassion, um, yet still boldness, right? And, um, I even remember a time when you took me, I had a little bit of a breast scare, and you were the person that I went to first.

(05:55):
And, um, you were able to walk me through, uh, that part of it with, with thermal imaging, which I followed up with lab testing and, and then took, took care of the root cause of the issue. And I didn't have, I could walk that path empowered and with, with my faith and, um, and, and equipped to do the right things versus in fear, which I feel like, um, happens a lot of times with diagnoses. And, you know, certainly whenever the C word comes up, there's so much fear with that. And that fear a lot of times can stop us in our tracks and, and can make us feel like we, um, have lost our power.

Katherine Wassung (06:39):
Yeah, Yeah. You know, the, the fear that's in the world today is, is trying to rule the world, trying to, to rule people. And that's the biggest thing, you know, when people come in and I see it in their eyes, and, you know, this is a, a, one of the first things I say, and it's one of my favorite, It's, it's, it's a biblical verse from the Old Testament, but it's neither fear ye their fear nor be afraid. We don't have to own that collective body of fear that's out there, that's not ours to own at all. And that's really a, you know, the first step in taking your power back and then you know, your own fear, you know, logical thinking, uh, you know, no, no fear is, um, power, love and a sound mind. And sound mind is what we must have today.

(07:27):
You know, it's, it's so important. And, uh, I love all that, that you just said. And, and, um, yeah, you know, when you love going to work more than you do going home, <laugh>. I mean, I just loved work. It's, it's, I love the, the, um, the women that I get to be with, Well, men too, because I see a lot of men as well. But just being with people and helping them to, um, take their power back is just such a privilege and an honor, and I'm so thankful that I get to do it.

Brigitte Spurgeon (07:56):
Yeah. Well, I'm sure we're gonna have many listeners who may never have heard of thermography before and actually, uh, have no clue what we're referencing. So do you mind just giving everyone an overview of what thermography is, and maybe even just walk through what an appointment would look like, and, um, even, I know I really value the, the medical report that we get afterwards. So maybe just walk us through the Sure. Explanation and the process of tomography.

Katherine Wassung (08:29):
Sure. So first of all, it, it's a study of physiology. So you've got your anatomical studies, you've got mammograms, cat scans, ultrasounds, uh, where did I leave out, uh, MRIs. And those are all anatomical views of the body. Demography is very different. We are adjunct to those, all of those studies or screenings. Um, but we see physiology or function. So that means that what we see, we typically see about eight to 10 years before the ANA anatomical studies can actually see things. So if, for instance, there's formation, tumor formation happening, it typically requires angiogenesis, which is the network of blood supplies that surround that funky little cell and then, and the tumor itself. And then it starts to grow. But that takes replication, cell replication, years and years. So the interesting thing about thermography is we see, we can see that because we can see vascular things, we can see angiogenesis, but we also see inflammation.

(09:38):
And we are the only tool that sees inflammation. Nobody, none of the anatomical screens actually see inflammation. And the, the way disease progresses, it always starts with stress and inflammation. Inflammation is a good thing when it does its job, which is to help the body heal itself. But when it doesn't, um, do that and it becomes chronic inflammation, then we starting, we're starting to go down that pathway of disease. And, and so those early things is what thermography can have a look at. And then we can say, Okay, time to get on the, on the ball and let's do something about that. And so we can start the healing process much earlier. And so it's really great for, for just about everything, cuz I can do these head to toe studies and what we see we're considered black bodies that emanate infrared heat 24 7. And it's on a, a specific color, um, uh, spectrum, White being the hottest, blue being the coldest.

(10:40):
And, and neither of those things are good or bad. It just depends on where we see what. And so that's what, um, I spend a great deal of time looking at with people. And where, where do we need to make the corrections for the colors to be in the right place. Um, so I can do things like, you know, if I do a full body, we will view things like the sinuses and the, um, the dental issues, the thyroid, the musculoskeletal system, the cardiovascular system, the liver, the stomach, the large and small intestines, um, any vascular issues in the legs. We can see postural things, we can see structural things, all these kind of things that give us information, um, like a discovery tool. And, uh, it's, it's very incredibly helpful. And then we can also monitor. So if you're getting treatment with another practitioner and you wanna know if it's working, there's one good way to find out.

(11:39):
And that's take a good look at function in your body and see if it's changing, see if it's working. And so we can help monitor, we can help. If you need to change tech, then that's when you do it because it's not working. You've been doing the same thing for many months. Maybe it's time to try some a different route. And so those are the, the areas that tomography becomes very helpful. I, I do an awful lot of athletes, um, you know, tweaking, well, you know, if you're, they're weightlifters and so forth, they, you can see if there's a little dysfunction and maybe out balance in what they're doing. And so they can correct that. Um, you know, with the breast tissue, it's really interesting to, um, you know, I can view the lymphatic system really well. And so if there's a lot of lymphatic, then we need to work on that.

(12:26):
We need to help you move the lymph system. Um, so many different issues. I I work with a lot of, of, um, holistic dentists and we can see, um, inflammation from coming from, um, dental issues and that's very helpful too. So there's many, many different things, but that's kind of an overview of what I, uh, if you can see behind me, there's a picture of a thermogram <laugh> right there on the wall. But, you know, if you go on my website, there's lots of, um, examples of, uh, of thermograms that I've done, but also changes that were made from one to the other. So it's really, it's really fun to see that. And then it's a, it's a hallelujah when you see the change. And so, yeah,

Brigitte Spurgeon (13:11):
This is, since you mentioned your website, this is probably actually a great time. If, if you don't mind giving our listeners your website so that they can connect with you that way, learn more about you at that place, I think that that will be a great connection point.

Katherine Wassung (13:26):
Sure. It is www.thermographycharlotte.com and you don't, don't reverse that because you won't get me. So it's thermography Charlotte, not Charlotte Thermography, even though that's the name of my practice. So thermography charlotte.com, and I've got loads of information on there, lots of different clinical studies, um, as well as pictures, uh, and so forth. And there's pictures of me on there, hugging trees and things like that. So

Brigitte Spurgeon (13:53):
Yeah. Fantastic. We, well, we will post, uh, the link to your website, uh, in our description as well, as well as on our social media platforms. Uh, fa Fantastic. So, so walk our patients through, or, or walk our listeners through, uh, the process. So they would schedule an appointment with you, whether it be in your clinic or in like a satellite clinic like, like ours in, uh, Huntersville, North Carolina. And so, um, you know, the, the incoming, uh, patient or client, I know they've, uh, they probably fill out some paperwork and they're, um, you have some specific instructions for them, but, but when they come into the room, what can they expect?

Katherine Wassung (14:38):
They can expect a very comfortable atmosphere, a little chilly, because that's the only discomfort. There's no compression, there's no radiation, there's no touching, there's none, none of that. You just sit in a, in a, in a soft light, uh, room. And, um, depending on which study you do, uh, depends on, on whether or not, you know, how mu how much clothing you have to take off because we do have to see skin. That's the important thing. The, the very high tech camera that I use, which is by the way, the most advanced technology in the world for medical thermography. Um, and there's not a whole, there's not a lot of them in the state of North Carolina. I have, um, two of them. So, um, it needs to see skin. So, but there's, you know, it's a darkly lit room. There is a pre-canned protocol, so there's cer certain things, anything that affects the skin.

(15:37):
Like if you walk in and you've just had a hot cup of coffee, we're gonna have to wait. Or cold, cold water. Um, things like deodorant, anything that masks the skin, um, you know, the pre-scan protocol, which is on my website as well, tells you the things that you need to follow in order to get a really accurate, um, study. Uh, sunburn is another one. <laugh>, you don't wanna come in with a sunburn. Um, you know, because that changes the lymphatic system in so also in the body. So we wanna get an accurate reading. Um, you know, I wanna mention too that this is probably the safest study for women with implants. Women with implants should never compress them. Um, it, it just compromises the implants. So this is probably the best, um, opportunity for women with implants to, to, um, to, uh, have a health check.

(16:31):
Um, and the other thing is, well, you know, nursing women can certainly come pregnancy, all of those things, you know, these are all good opportunities for people to get a study. There's nothing that's gonna affect or harm or, um, be invasive or intrusive in any way. Um, but you come in, it, it really, um, I go over extensively the paperwork. I like to talk to you first. I, I wanna know who you are, what you're like, what's, you know, those things are all part of you, you and health. And, um, it makes it much simpler to help you with, with your journey, your health journey. Um, if I know you <laugh>, so I spend a great deal of time talking. Yep. That could be the only bad thing. <laugh> about, you know, I do an awful lot of, uh, consultations, so, um, I just think that's important.

(17:25):
Um, and then the study itself is, is relatively fast. Obviously if I'm doing a full body, it takes longer, but, you know, none of them go over an hour. So, you know, our breast health takes 15, 20 minutes and then the rest is me talking. Um, a full body is, you know, it, it's pretty thorough, um, you know, back to front, head to toe. Um, but uh, once that's done, I do go over it. I have taken the, um, interpretation, um, modules so that I can talk to you about it so that you don't leave on pins and needles, uh, you know, fear's my enemy and it should be yours too. So I don't let anybody leave with any kind of trepidation. That's just not what this is about. So, um, I'll go over it, it, uh, pretty thoroughly. So when you get the, um, the, um, formal interpretation from, they're all board certified medical doctors that are, are really trained in this, um, when you get that back, it'll make a lot more sense and be a lot easier for you to understand. So, um, that's pretty much it. It's pretty simple, you know, that's you, uh, you come in and you go out <laugh>. Yeah,

Brigitte Spurgeon (18:39):
That, that's fantastic. And you know, I, I love the safety of it. I know when I'm making personal health decisions, I value information and I value diagnostics. However, when I'm making choices around those things, if there are any risk factors, I have to weigh the risk to the benefits. So, so radiations an example of that. There may, you know, I have had an MRI in my life, but would, you know, would I want to have multiple MRIs? You know, certainly not. Um, you know, and, and there are everything situational, of course, but I love having the tool of mamography. Um, I think number one for, for my breast health and for, uh, also for pre-screening, like you, uh, my mom was also, uh, diagnosed with cancer, and now she was diagnosed at stage four. So she didn't have the benefit of any kind of, um, early detection.

(19:41):
So she didn't have, you know, 14 years or anything. She had, she had about three to four months, and I guess, yeah, it was three months. And, uh, so for me, it's important to be screened, um, to have information so that I can take care of myself and do the, the appropriate things. But then also things like, I know my husband saw you and he, um, he has colon cancer in the family, and when he had done his research, he, he actually opted to use medical tomography as his screening tool. And, um, and as, as well as like, you know, lab testing, um, you know, checking his microbiome and, and things like that because he felt like those tools better equipped him to actually do, like, take the steps to take care of his gut, you know, versus later detection or, or, or just looking at the anatomy, like you said earlier.

(20:40):
Yeah. So, um, by the way, this is a good time for me to mention that nothing we, we say is medical advice. Um, you know, we're just talking, I'm just talking about my own experiences here. So please don't take anything that I say or that Dr. Kat even says as medical advice. That is something that is done with your physician or with your clinician on a one-on-one basis. So, so Dr. Kat, I would, um, do you have any, well, I know you have many, many success stories and, and testimonies and things like that, but do you have, uh, just a favorite one that come, that, that comes to mind? Uh, that could just give us an idea of, um, what your patient's experience?

Katherine Wassung (21:23):
Um, you know, there's so many. Um, I have many, um, I'll run through the files in my mind here. Um, you know, I, you know, when people come in, especially women come in for breast studies, um, I see a lot of fear coming in the door. And usually they've been scared by something they have found, or somebody's, you know, they're being pushed out. You know, the breast industry today is just fear driven. That's all they're, I can say about it. It is. And it doesn't need to be, you know, it, our bodies are fairly simple, really, when you, you know, and treating them as simple too. Um, so the first thing I deal with is that fear. But this particular gal in mind came and she was ready to cut her breasts off because of a fear, um, based, she had had another study. Well, anyway, she was fearful.

(22:25):
And so I did the thermogram and I went, Hey, this is really not that big a deal. Let's work on some things. Let's give it to you. You've got plenty of time. Let's, let's do some things. So there's, there's many aspects to our health, and one of them is emotional. We, we have to be in tune, especially women. We are emotional creatures. Were made that way. We, that's how our bodies react to us. So, um, you know, there were several other things that I wanted her to do. Well, it was really interesting. Within two weeks she had done some of those and call me back, and all her lumps were gone. I've seen her for three years since then. She's an amazingly different person. And, you know, just to get the control of that fear and know that she could take her power back, do some very specific things, and be diligent and faithful, that's faithfulness is the key. And, um, and voila, she was, she's a healthy, wonderful gal. And I'll never forget that because when I saw her face, when she came in the door and I see her today, they are two different people. So, uh, that, that would be, and I've seen many very similar things like that. So I, I so enjoyed having people come in with fear and leaving laughing. Cuz that's usually what happens. <laugh>,

Brigitte Spurgeon (23:40):
You have to be willing to do the work.

Katherine Wassung (23:43):
Yeah, absolutely. Yep.

Brigitte Spurgeon (23:45):
You, you have like, we want to, if we want to be our best selves, if we want to be healthy, if we want to prevent or reverse disease, we have to be willing to, to put in the work. So, um, but it really helps to have a practitioner alongside you, giving you targeted, you know, ho holistic, safe advice.

Katherine Wassung (24:09):
You know, it's so interesting. We live in such a, a fast paced, quick fix, you know, click a button, do a, you know, and that, you know, your body doesn't get to where it is in distress that way. So it's not gonna get un stressed that way, <laugh>, you know, so you, you know, you're right, you're so right. Being faithful to be diligent with your protocols is really very, very important. And I wanna say one other thing. In, in today's world, one of the things you wanna think about, we're so inundated with so many disruptions of things, you know, EMFs is my other hot button, you know, the electromagnetic field, and that's tons of radiation coming from everything, cell phones, computers, just so you, you don't wanna add to that, um, when you're trying to, uh, do health discovery. And that's why I love thermography so much, because it doesn't add to that toxic load that we're already up against every single day. So had to add that plug in. <laugh>,

Brigitte Spurgeon (25:08):
I've, I've noticed a few things just over the years working with you and, um, you know, one is the diversity of patients that you work with. So you mentioned earlier it's not just women and breast health, you work with men as well because of, because looking at things like in inflammation and, and organs and things like that. Um, but also you work with all ages. This, this is not just, um, you know, a scan that you do over the age of 40. You know, I've, um, I've seen our patients as young as 18 and have actually significant findings that needed to be worked on. And then I have, as the clinician, you know, partnering with you for the scans, I've been able to now have targeted conversations, um, literally about, you know, a 20 year old quitting smoking, starting to change their, their nutrition, and really taking care of themselves. I've been able to, you know, talk to young patients about hormone imbalance, you know, inflammation. And it, it's been such a beautiful opportunity to do that. So, um, could, could you maybe share, so, um, I don't know, like the, the, the best opportunities to get a thermogram, So like age conditions. I know cystic breast is a big one. Like, you know, dance breast tissue is a big one.

Katherine Wassung (26:36):
I love that you brought that up. It's so true. I see a lot of children these days, uh, a lot of parents bringing their kids in that, that other, um, practitioners just can't find reasons for what's going on. And so thermography is a, a really big key for that. And it's a lot easier to get a child to sit in front of a, a, a thermographic camera than it is to go to some of these other offices. So, um, you know, my, my gals for breast health, I like to see them in their twenties, honestly, because the onslaught that they're up against is a lot different now than it was in my day, years ago. Um, you know, it's just different. It's a different world. And so if I can help them earlier, go through the things that they need to do to, to keep their health, they won't have the problems when they get in their thirties, forties, and fifties.

(27:28):
Um, you know, I hate to say this, but I, we are seeing breast cancer earlier and earlier. I've, you know, I've had three women this year in their twenties that had it. And so we don't wanna see that. We don't want that to happen. So the earlier I can see them and we can see things, you know, your lymph system is so important. If we can see things like that and inflammation in the body, and we can get a handle on that at an early age, it's so vitally important. So the earlier, the better for breast health, um, you know, young adults, um, gut health is huge. I, you know, you know this bridge, you, you work with that beautifully. So, you know, discovering that, and you can see that with ther thermography really, really easily. And knowing that you got those issues, um, at an earlier stage, you can correct that and then live a much, uh, safer, healthier life.

(28:22):
So, um, you know, the other thing is the liver. You know, cuz that has such a, it's such an important part of our detoxification pathways and, you know, we can, thermography can really see if we have liver issues, and that has a lot to do with hormones and hormone balance and imbalance. And, um, so, uh, you know, in the gut health, of course we can see that as well. So the, these things, you know, and the body is all connected, so we can't really, you know, I, like, I typically am a breast specialist, but you can't just segment that out and, you know, it's so important for the whole body to stay connected and do the, the similar things like if you're working on your gut health, it improves your breast health, right? So, um, I say the younger, the better. Um, and, you know, with children, um, you know, if they have issues that are just not being found, um, you know, sonography is very helpful.

(29:24):
One of the other things I will mention is, um, there's a couple inflammatory, uh, chronic pain syndrome, which is a very real thing, cannot be seen with any other modality and thermography is really the only type of study that can see chronic pain. And I have caught that on several people whose doctors told them they were crazy, and I proved that they weren't, You know, it's, it's such a, you know, chronic pain syndrome is such a, a, a debilitating thing. And for people to have those answers and know that it's not in their minds, that they're not crazy, um, it's very helpful. So those

Brigitte Spurgeon (30:02):
Are, and, and I love having, you know, the first scan that you do that becomes your baseline. And then, um, when you have your follow up studies done, then you can compare them side to side. And I, I love how you, um, have everything on record and you know, then you can, So I know when I've been into cu you've been able to compare. So when I was having, uh, some symptoms, you were able to compare my physiology to a year before or two years before that. And, and, and that just empowered you with, with more knowledge, um, you know, about the scan. So it, it's great to be able to see that and to have goals to improve your images the, the next time. I know I've, over the years, uh, seen improvement, uh, with my, with my hormone balance and, um, and with my breast, my breast tissues. So, um, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Kat. You are just a wealth of information. You're, you're a joy and, uh, and, and just such a blessing to everyone that you work with. Um, before we wrap up, do you have any final thoughts or anything that you would love to share with our audience?

Katherine Wassung (31:16):
Yes. Uh, you know, something that I say all the time, and I believe that wholeheartedly is everything is fixable across the board. Everything is fixable. Um, you know, never lose hope. Uh, as long as there is breath life in you, there is hope. Um, and, you know, we are connected to the greatest, um, creator of, uh, there is. And, you know, to keep that level of, uh, vibrational frequency up in yourself is the most important thing. He's given us the tools that we need, um, you know, join with people that are like-minded. It's so important to have that, um, compatibility, um, and that helpfulness. Um, I just, you know, hope is such a big deal and, um, I'm just so grateful that I get to work in an arena where that's the, the thing I work with best is hope. So, um, it's, it's just such an honor to, um, to be able to do what I do. I'm so gr very grateful and I'm very grateful to you, Bridget, to gimme this opportunity to, um, just to, to speak with you and, and with your folks, and always an honor, always a privilege. So I really appreciate it.

Brigitte Spurgeon (32:35):
Thank you. Well, you are welcome. We're excited that Dr. Kat is going to be, she was just in our clinic a couple of weeks ago and she was so, so busy. I, she probably barely had a chance to, to drink water or, or breathe, but she will be back in our clinic in, uh, gosh, actually, uh, two and a half, couple weeks. Three, yeah, three weeks time. And, uh, and, and once again, connect with her through her, her website that we are going to be posting in the description. If you are a clinic in the Charlotte area, or actually, you know, beyond, if you would want Dr. Kas to come in and, and speak for you, or, um, if you would like to be a satellite clinic, to, to have her in to work with your patients, um, you can reach out to her as well. So thank you so much for listening today, for joining us. I pray that this conversation is empowering and gives you hope on your journey to healing your body and, uh, becoming the very best version of you. So make sure that you share this episode that you like and subscribe so that you can get future episodes and, uh, you will see Dr. Bagwell and I on our next episode. Be blessed.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (33:57):
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