Podcast Episode 20: Cancer: A Different Perspective (with transcription)

Welcome to the 20th episode of the True Health Solutions Podcast with Dr. Lonnie Bagwell and Brigitte Spurgeon. 

The word cancer can instill fear in all of us, but it doesn't have to! 

In today's episode, we take a different perspective on cancer and talk about how you can take a holistic approach to lower your risk or aid your recovery. 

We share top cancer-preventing foods versus top cancer-causing foods, as well as tips to improve your overall health and lower your chance of cancer diagnosis. 

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Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:00):
If the environment being unhealthy calls the cell to adapt abnormally, then it begs that if we change the environment to be healthy, then the cell will adapt to be healthy. Welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, stress, inflammation, and functional health clinician.

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:15):
And I'm your co-host Brigitte Spurgeon Metabolism and nutrition expert. This

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:19):
Podcast is where we bring hope, truth, and inspiration for your holistic health journey

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:24):
Because the world needs the best version of you.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:28):
Welcome to the True Health Solutions Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, here with the

Brigitte Spurgeon (00:33):
Brigitte Spurgeon.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (00:34):
Brigitte Spurgeon. And today, uh, we're gonna talk about a, uh, uh, a topic, a very, a sobering topic, a topic that, uh, that has impacted every single listener, uh, without even knowing you. We know that you've been impacted by this. Uh, we've been deeply impacted, uh, by this topic. Uh, and it is the theme of everything that we're doing at the time of this recording, uh, in and through the office this month. Um, and today we're gonna be talking about cancer. So the big scary C word, um, as it's been, um, perpetuated, at least here in the United States. And so, um, so we're gonna talk about cancer, something again that's impacted, uh, us in in our personal lives, but also, um, has impacted me deeply in my professional li life, uh, and career over 16 years, you know, because of, uh, you know, walking with so many patients through it.

(01:24):
And, um, and even as we were talking beforehand, we were talking a little bit reminiscing about, um, my, our mentor when it came to cancer, uh, Dr. Charles Majors. And so, uh, anyway, uh, the, the biggest thing for me though, is having gone through cancer over a period of several decades with my dad, you know, he had, uh, he had, uh, originally skin cancer, then it was thyroid cancer, and then ultimately was given a diagnosis of a, uh, of, um, a terminal, uh, blood cancer. And, uh, in the end, uh, it's a, it's a, as far as cancer goes, it's a, it's a pretty amazing story of how he turned a lot of his health around over the years. And he, he could have left, he, he passed away last November. Uh, but he could have, uh, really passed away a lot sooner had he not done things right.

(02:13):
And I would say he lived maybe 10 years past, you know, what he would have had he not turned things around. But the idea here and today's topic is that it wasn't the cancer that killed him. Um, it wasn't in the end, it wasn't actually the cancer at all. Like the things that he had done and things that had changed. Uh, he learned some of the principles that we're gonna share today, um, ultimately, you know, allowing him to, uh, have better command over his body and how it was responding to its environment, and therefore, ultimately shutting down a lot of those cancer cells. So, um, but, uh, but I am, I have been impacted and I'm, I'm absolutely blessed to have been able to walk through probably now 50 to 60, uh, more intensive walks with patients. It's not thousands, it's not hundreds, but it's 50 that mattered.

(02:57):
Uh, walks with patients who, who were recovered from maybe their first, second, or even their third cancers. And, um, and ultimately just being a support. What if heard of a reason. Um, God continues to bring those patients into my life, and, uh, they, they hold a special place in my heart. And so, um, and I'm, I impacted by every one of 'em. And the outcomes have been extraordinary. Uh, when we help people understand what cancer is, that's my most favorite thing to talk about, really with any topic, but especially cancer, cuz it's so scary and ominous. You know, it's unknown, but it's really not. It's, it's really well known. Um, and most of the ca almost all the cancer cases is just, we have to, um, line up our actions with what we actually know and not just submit all of our actions to, um, you know, to the cancer industry, um, or, you know, historical, standardized way of approaching it.

(03:43):
So, uh, and it's been amazing and, and, um, and Dr. Majors, who I had mentioned briefly, you know, he was a mentor of mine, and he, uh, actually, uh, was diagnosed with cancer. Uh, and I won't tell his story for him, you can check it out online, but he, um, you know, he, he, against all odds, you know, was able to not only survive but thrive and then impact tens of thousands of people around the world at had cancer and impact us clinicians who were able then to carry on that ripple effect and impact lives of those that we encountered who had been diagnosed with cancer as well. And so, so grateful for him. And, uh, it's nothing I ever asked for, but because my dad had been, had one of his cancers at that time that, that Dr. Majors was helping me with, it just kinda became almost like a ministry of the, of the office and everything.

(04:27):
So, uh, so today's topic for me and Bridget, you can share here in a second, you know, with you is, is really, um, it's a, it's a, it's an honoring. Every time I talk about it, it's, it's a, I feel like I'm honoring, you know, the call is what it feels like, and I don't understand it. I don't, you know, again, it's not something I, I didn't go to school for cancer. I did, you know, not an oncologist. I didn't, uh, I didn't ask for it. I didn't deeply study it out of a desire to know more about it. I feel like it's just something that keeps coming back into my life. And, um, thereby I feel very honored, you know, to be able to talk about it and share the stories that we've, uh, you know, of overcoming in victory when it comes to cancer.

(05:07):
Um, and really just try to keep things super simple for people in a time when cancer usually comes with, uh, lots of overwhelm. And so I think that's one of the greatest assets of how we approach it. But, um, of course, again, as a disclaimer is always we don't treat cancer. It's not my scope of practice. It's not, again, I've never even asked to work with anything with cancer. Um, but what we, what we are really good at is helping the body get as close to the way it was created to be as possible, um, given, given its environment and, uh, and its current state. And, uh, and it happens that with cancer, that is really one of the best, most foundational things that you can do. So with that said, uh, Bridget kind of, I guess share with our listeners, um, how you've been impacted by cancer.

Brigitte Spurgeon (05:53):
Yeah. Um, you know, Charlie Majors, uh, being, um, such an just an inspiration and, and mentor and, you know, reading his book, Cancer Killers, I'm so thankful for the education that I received through him because it gave me that foundational mindset that we all need to be cancer killers because cancer does not discriminate. And I'm sure all of us can attest to that because, um, you know, I was just telling Dr. Bagwell, um, two people that I know passed away of cancer within the last, literally within the last week, one of which, uh, being a, what we would look at maybe a stereotypically typical unhealthy person and the other one, the complete opposite athlete, healthy. And, um, and each of them, you know, in my opinion, it, you know, young we're, we're seeing a lot of people pass of cancer in their, you know, forties, fifties, sixties, and in my opinion, 60, 65, 67, those were the ages where my parents passed away.

(07:00):
That's, that's too young <laugh>. Um, mm-hmm. There, there's still a lot of life left to live. So I'm, I'm so grateful for the education that I've received and, and having that as a foundation. It helped me support my aunt and mother who passed away two years apart of cancer, and I was able to support them with nutrition. And I did see my, my aunt was diagnosed with lung cancer, which then, uh, went to the brain, and so she passed of, of brain cancer. And my mother, she was actually, by the time she was diagnosed, it was stage four and I, Dr. Bagwell, you remember when I found that out? I, I guess we didn't even officially know it was cancer yet, but we had, we'd looked at some blood work and I think that we knew, and I looked at you and I said, I think I need to hop on a plane right now.

(07:54):
And you said, I think you do go like, book your flight and go. And when I saw my mom, it, I just looking at her, I, it didn't look like she had a week left to live. And it was really actually cool seeing the power of nutrition and, um, you know, some herbal remedies. And she, you know, she opted to do the complete, like, holistic approach, uh, because it was actually even too late for anything else. And, um, she got three more months. Mm. So she got, she got a month, she got a month with her kid, like all of her kids. So that, that was pretty, pretty amazing. So, um, so yeah. That's amazing. That's my story.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (08:36):
I love it. And I think that, uh, and, and how does someone come to a, um, how does someone come to the conclusion that they would do natural things? Well, one thing that I've always said is, is that there should never be this decision between do I do the conventional or do I do the natural, Right? You can choose whether it's to do the conventional treatments for cancer or not, right? That's always everybody's choice. But when is it ever a good idea to stop supporting the body and supporting its own ability, you know, your own immune system and its own ability to kill cancer cells? So in my mind, how I present it to patients is, is that you do whatever you feel led to do when it comes to conventional treatment, but let's get on the actual correcting of whatever the cause is, right?

(09:20):
Rather than the medical focus of treating the symptom. And so, um, so it's either do both or do just the natural, but it never makes sense to do just the conventional medical treatment in my mind as a clinician. Doesn't make any sense. And, and there was years, let me say this too, and this is where a lot of this comes from, is that there was years when, um, you know, when we would say like, Hey, let's change your diet. Like back, you know, going back 15, 16 years ago, long before a lot of my exposure to cancer be like, Well, I can't help you with cancer, but I can help you with, you know, changing your diet and clearing your nervous system. Like, we can do those two things. And then people would come back and say, My oncologist said that I can eat ice cream every day for three meals a day, and it ain't gonna make a, make a difference with my cancer.

(10:03):
And now I've heard that just, and now that's changed a lot. Okay? That was like the, the standard response 15, 16 years ago. I would say in the last five years, it has gotten better in that we now co-manage cancer patients with local oncologists that love the work that we're doing. And, you know, they, they're supportive of the, the patients working with us. And we've even been referred some, you know, to work with because of the natural approach. Now they're doing the conventional stuff, obviously, where we're helping the patient be as healthy as they can while doing those treatments. Um, and so things have definitely changed. However, as recently in the last two years, I'll say, uh, maybe last year, I've had somebody say the same thing where they went and talked to what's, who's considered to be one of the top oncologists in the Charlotte area.

(10:41):
And, and a guy said, You can eat whatever you want and it can make a difference. And, uh, and that's just, I don't get it. I don't understand that. I don't know why they would, they would lie to people like that. I mean, we're not trying to create false hope here. We're trying to change the cellular environment, which we'll talk about more, you know, so that, so that the person is actually moving towards health. Whether it adds three months, you know, of quality time or a month quality time with family, whether it adds three days, but the quality of the last days are better and they're lucid. And that's some of the stories when I say we have great, uh, and not every patient that we've ever worked with with cancer, um, is alive right now. Um, however, one of the stories that gets me, we lost her.

(11:22):
I mean, she passed away, but it's one of the, um, most emotional stories. And I'm still friends with her husband on Facebook, and every time I see him in his life or whatever, I just, I get choked up. But, um, I'll never forget that he was kind of quiet in the whole process. He was always supportive, but kind of quiet. And she had an uncountable number of brain tumors and, um, and, uh, you know, and, and they were just like, We'll do whatever it takes. And she, she was having a hard time like cognitively, right? Communicating with her kids, her adult kids, and communicating with her husband. And, you know, that's devastating, right? To, to, for someone to be your spouse of all those years, to be with you and not to be able to communicate like that. And, um, and so we started helping her and she started getting better, and we started helping her more, and she started getting better.

(12:03):
And, and ultimately she lived six months past when she was supposed to, uh, according to the medical, uh, doctors, which is great, but the big part is, is that she truly lived for six months. It was like she literally lived as a different woman, completely having a relationship with her kids, her grandkids, and her husband. Until literally, I think he said, like, she didn't, she didn't go back to the way that she was cognitively until maybe just three days before she passed at home. And so it was, the difference was she was going to live for maybe three months, but not really be living at all in zero relationships. She was losing her, her cognitive abilities and everything, versus she got an additional five months and three weeks at least of full on relationship loving on li you know, conversation. Can you imagine, you know, the conversations that are, that were different because of that.

(12:53):
Um, and, uh, gosh, I love Bob. I love seeing him on Facebook. Um, and just seeing the life that he's living now, and he's so grateful. He'll reach out on Facebook every now and again and say, I'm still thankful for that time, you know, that, that we had with her. And so anyway, all that said, uh, we don't treat cancer. Um, but man, we could help the body work better and more like God intended. And the miracles come out of that. We're not responsible for any of it. We just remove the interference, whether it's physical, chemical, um, or even in some cases because the physical and chemical, you know, emotional. And so the key here is though, how does somebody make that decision? Is that they understand what it is. If you understand what it is, all of a sudden it's not so scary and it's not, um, insurmountable, right?

(13:33):
It's a, it's, you, you, you start to realize that one of our mottos is participate in your own rescue. And you start to realize that with cancer is where people most mostly think they can't participate in their own rescue, right? That they're just at the mercy of the cancer and the mercy of the treatment. But the truth is, is that you can absolutely participate in your own rescue, you know, when it comes to cancer. And, uh, and I remember, and one of the, and so just shifting that mindset and knowing what cancer is, so we'll talk a little bit more about that here in a second. But I remember when I would get on the phone for consults with Dr Majors, with cancer patients, our patients had cancer, Um, first thing he would say, he'd get on the phone and he would say this simple question, and you could hear the air get sucked out of the room, maybe a three-way call. And I could still like that the silence was deafening because he would say, Are you okay living to a hundred years old with this cancer?

(14:23):
And in that, and it would just like, it would just be complete silence for like 30 seconds, which feels like an eternity. And, uh, and the reason why he would ask that is because he would immediately, in the first five seconds of them knowing him, wanted to shift their mindset like they thought they were gonna get on the call and some natural doctor was gonna give 'em all these natural remedies to kill cancer. And he was like, What if you could just live an amazing life for the next 40 years, regardless of your diagnosis? And it's like, and, and one question, all of a sudden, people had hope. Uh, they, they, they, um, they shifted out of like this whole fear based approach to things, you know? And, uh, and it was, I, I just was <laugh>. I, I remember after we did, you know, after we did 20 of these, I would just get so excited for the first question, you know, and I wanted to chime in.

(15:09):
I had to stay silent, but I wanted to chime in and, and just be like, Yeah, aren't you excited now, Right. That we can do something about this? And so, first of all, the question, uh, is, are you okay living to a hundred, you know, with this diagnosis? Um, and, uh, and, and of course the patients was like, Well, yeah, of course. That's the whole goal, is to have some kind of quality of life and the time that I do have. And so right away mindset is like, we always talk about mindset first. That's what he would do mindset first. And then we would talk about, um, uh, a little bit more about understanding what, you know, what cancer was and all that stuff. I'm sorry. Then we would talk about what were the, the approaches to what, what do you do with it? And there's three things that typically you do with cancer.

(15:48):
Again, this is according to, you know, Dr. Majors. And what I've done with patients over the years is, the first thing is you wanna try to do everything that you can to stop making it right. And we'll talk about what that looks like and why that is with what cancer is here in a second, then it's to kill it. And we don't participate in that at all. That is what the traditional medical approach is. They wanna kill the cells, kill the cancer. And that's, that's the second thing that you would do. So first of all, don't keep making it while you're trying to kill it. That doesn't make any sense. So stop making it as best you can, right? Change the cellular environment so that the cells quit adapting, et cetera. And then, you know, then do whatever you want, medical intervention wise or natural, whatever it is to try to try to kill off whatever has already formed.

(16:25):
And then through the fact that you end up with cancer and the fact that you might be going through some kind of medical conventional treatments, We know that the immune system now either was or now definitely is depleted. So step three is rebuild the immune system, stop making it, kill it, rebuild the immune system. And again, we don't participate in number two at all. That's, that's medical treatment. And so, uh, so once people realize that again, that, that they can live to a hundred regardless of the diagnosis, that there's something they can do about it. And then it gets framed up in this idea of, okay, let's try to change our cellular environment over here to stop making it, and let's change our cellular environment over here to support our immune system. It gives us all something that we can be working on, um, to, uh, you know, to live healthier.

(17:06):
And ultimately, whether you've been diagnosed cancer or not, you can still do these things. Um, and it's just very empowering though. There's something you can do to change the course of cancer in your body, right? Cause we have heard the statistic over the years that, you know, everybody right now listen to this podcast has cancer cells floating through their body. The difference is, is they've been given and it's, it's a lower level and they've been given, uh, an amazing immune system that can kill 'em off on a consistent basis. So the only difference is when there's interference, there's an overwhelm of the body in some way, or a deficiency in some way, some kind of interference with the body's ability to appropriately respond to the cells, do they then begin to accumulate and kind of, you know, become the cancer that people know and has become popularized. So before we dive into any more of what cancer is, any comments there, Bridget?

Brigitte Spurgeon (17:54):
Well, I'd love, I love that, uh, you know, stop making it so we can start off with, with the conversation about, um, the environment. Um mm-hmm. <affirmative> probably give a good analogy on that and then, and then we can go into, uh, yeah. Uh, rebuilding the immune system. So, um, how, how about an explanation of like, or like a good definition of, of cancer or a cancer cell, and also iden, like, um, how you identify how cancer is diagnosed.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (18:26):
Yeah, that's good. So, uh, and I think that, uh, you know, um, when we talk about what cancer is, the most modern, I guess, hypothesis that we subscribe to is, cuz again, it is a hypothesis. I mean, we can talk about it all day long, but there's no definitive, this is what it is. Simply put, I can use two words and say it's an adapted cell or an adapted group of cells, and then the question then come becomes, okay, well what caused it to adapt? And can I change that, That should be the next question anyway. That's the question that we would ask is like, okay, if it's an adapted cell, then how did it adapt? What caused it to adapt? And can I change that and will it adapt back? Right? And so the idea is, is that cancer is a survival mechanism. So the new hypothesis that cancer is a natural wound healing related process.

(19:08):
So if the cause of the wound or if the wound persists, that then continuous natural process will lead to a clinical cancer mass. And so, um, again, it's an adaptation to the body trying to do something to actually save you, which I know sounds crazy. And, and we're gonna be teaching these kind of concepts and, and, and a lot more at our upcoming, uh, workshops and webinars. So make sure that you, if you're interested and learn more about this, you know, make sure that you show up to the office or, or hop on one of the webinars. Um, but generally, generally speaking though, it's an adapted cell is the idea. And so if we can change the cellular environment, will it adapt back? And I don't think we can say a hundred percent with certainty that it all adapts back, but we definitely have seen some incredible results.

(19:47):
Uh, I just had a patient tell me earlier, as a matter of fact, maybe three hours ago, um, where when she changed, when she, hers, it's a new patient, so this is not someone who's even done our stuff, but she said, um, when I changed all of my, um, when I changed my nutrition and detox properly for the first time, I went back and there were half as many, uh, tumors. That was her exact words. She's like, they, they couldn't explain it. They said it was amazing. And I said, Well, we know what it was, you know, And that's, that's her story. I, I met this woman for the first time, you know, three hours ago. And, uh, and so we're not the only people teaching this stuff, right? So there, but if you change the environment and the cell, if the cell, if the environment being unhealthy, calls the cell to adapt abnormally, then it begs that if we change the environment to be healthy, then the cell will adapt to be healthy. And so, um, and so to be healthy again. And so anyway, anything to add to that before we go on?

Brigitte Spurgeon (20:43):
You know, the, the one thing I just will reiterate, this is one of the taglines from, from cancer killers, but this just, this impacts me, like how I take care of my health and how I make decisions and, and how I communicate, uh, with my patients. And that is, you know, the cause is the cure. And so you, you know, you reference that in talking about, well, you know, what, what caused the cell to adapt? And so that's always, you know, that's the lens, um, you know, that we look through. And so we're always looking at, okay, so you know what, you know, is this toxicity, is this insulin resistance? Is, is this trauma is, you know, is this stress like what, you know, what's going on? And we, and a lot of times, you know, with cancer, it's, it's multiple things that, you know, they create a perfect storm that come, that come together. But once we identify the cause, then, then we know how to look for solutions and, and we, we can design a strategy around that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (21:45):
Yeah, that's good. And everything that we talk about, of course, should be consulted, right? Um, we're gonna talk about some general things that people can do, but if you're really serious about, you know, wanting to become a cancer killer or you have a, you've been in your personal history or family history, you know, um, nothing supersedes actually having a one-on-one conversation with a clinician, someone who can coach you through the things that we're kind of touching on today. Um, and then again, we'll go deeper with, um, later in the month. But, um, but anyway, so if you're gonna, like, when, when we're talking about, um, the, the cell changing the cellular environment, then we have to, uh, start talking about things like nutrition, right? So everybody who's listening right now, they know that at some point we're gonna talk about foods that are, um, you know, supportive in changing that environment.

(22:35):
Um, and everybody who's listening, and we're gonna say it anyway just in case, but you know, you're gonna know things like bad fats or bad, right? Um, you know, things that are, that cause free radical damage. We've been hearing that for 20, 30 years now. Um, you know, 30 years, 30 plus years, maybe, you know, free, free radical damage leads to, you know, abnormal cell growth, right? So let's, let's give people what they're expecting, You know, at first here, let's talk about some of the nutritional changes that are expected if we want to change our environment in order to get those cells to adapt back to being healthy. Um, so what are some of the top, I mean, we'll talk about a macro, I guess, and then dive into it a little bit and go on to the next one. So what's your first thing that you would recommend from a nutritional standpoint?

Brigitte Spurgeon (23:17):
Yeah, I would, I would say the first thing is, you know, we have to, we have to remove the disruptive foods, like the, you know, the foods that are creating inflammation that are carcinogenic, that are creating toxicity. So, um, my top five, uh, what I'll call just for this purpose, um, carcinogenic foods, number one is going to be sugar. I think everyone at this point, um, you know, they, they understand that that sugar feeds cancer. And so, um, so sugar in, you know, with that's going to be your table sugar, that, um, that's going to be like other sweeteners as well. So, but, but certainly the refined sugar, um, that we're gonna find in our processed foods and so forth. My next one is dies. And so this is a decision, actually my husband and I made many years ago, is just like, you know, no m and m is gonna come in our mouth as good as an m and m is because, because of the dies.

(24:17):
And so that's, that's actually one of our rules is, you know, birthday. Like that's a zero tolerance for us. I'll put it, I'll put it that way. Um, Dr. Bagwell, as, as you know, you know, we talk about like the the 80 20 rule and things like that, but even within that 20, there's zero tolerance for, for dyes and artificial sweeteners, which is the third one. Um, the, the fourth one is damaged oils. That's gonna be like your canola oil, your soy, soybean oil, corn oil, cotton seed, things like that. And then, um, my last one, we have to include this, especially with the media attention that's received over the last couple of years, but is, is glyphosate. Unfortunately, glyphosate shows up in, in everything. I mean, even like your organic processed foods and it's in our water supply and, and things like that. But, um, but that is something we need to, we need to be aware of. So, so glyphosate, for those of you who don't know, is the, the component in, um, in roundup. So it's what, like one of the, like the pesticides and stuff that, that they spray our foods with.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (25:24):
That's so good. And, uh, and again, we're gonna go and, and, and other podcasts actually, we've talked about some of these things already and, and, uh, and because of the impact on health, we'll continue to talk about it in future podcasts, but, and we'll even elaborate more on it in future podcasts, uh, concerning cancer. But, um, big, big huge list right there. Um, and this isn't even like the natural health opinion. This is stuff where you can look it up on nihs website, right? You can look at the research that's been done, it's medical research and it's, it's very well known. And you mentioned, um, and so concerning food, my thought is, you know, one of my suggestions of course, and, and our primary focus of any protocol that we write functional wise and certainly for cancer, is that we gotta fix the gut. Because even when you're, if you're eating bad stuff, if stuff is getting in there, it's damaging the gut, right?

(26:10):
That's one thing. And then once the gut's damaged, then it can't do as good a job to help filter out and protect you against any future bad things. And at the same time, you're not going to break down and absorb and reassemble the good things that you're eating. And so, um, so food's important, but also the, obviously the synergy with a healthy gut is what makes, you know, bad food, less bad and good food better. And so, um, and so, and not to mention the fact that when we talk about rebuilding your immune system, we have to heal the gut because 80% of your immunity comes out of that gut. And the less healthy it is, obviously the, the weaker we're gonna be at fending off against anything that invades a bacteria virus or otherwise. And so, um, so to go with the food idea, you know, gotta make sure that that gut is healthy. Now talk a little bit about, um, foods. So we talked about things that you don't want to ingest because they're on the, you know, top five carcinogenic list. Um, talk about, uh, some of the top foods that can be supportive of, um, of either of, let's just say, supportive of changing the cellular environment.

Brigitte Spurgeon (27:12):
Yeah, so a couple things here i, I do wanna speak about. So, so one word we're gonna learn today is angiogenesis. And so angiogenesis is going to be the formation of blood vessels. And that, you know, that may not sound too bad, but when you have a tumor forming, you don't want to, you don't want to have more of an infrastructure to support that tumor with oxygen and, and nutrients and, and so forth. And so we actually want to prevent the, the formation that, that angiogenesis. So, um, we wanna look at, so it's amazing the research that has been done on angiogenesis over the years, and they formulated a list of antiangiogenic foods. And so I, I took this list and I actually, I combed through it with my metabolic lens because the thing is, um, you know, one of the root causes of cancer is in, is metabolic in nature as well.

(28:11):
Cancer is a metabolic disease. And so we have to look at insulin resistance and we have to look at that environment mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so, um, so I'm gonna, I'm just gonna give you those foods. So this is, this is my, um, the very, my clinically biased list of, of antiangiogenic foods. And so when we look at our fruits, so these are foods to include, this is major like cancer, prevent, this is prevention. The, these are the foods that are going to nourish and support health and vitality and healing in your body. So berries, other citrus fruits like oranges and, and lemons as well, and apples. And then we, we look at, um, some of our, like our vegetables, so kale, bach, choy, mata, mushrooms, artichokes, sea cucumbers, red onions, some, then some, um, some like additive foods, I guess. Um, some, so dark chocolate, turmeric, ging, green tea and nutmeg. I'm gonna add in cinnamon in there. And then parsley and garlic, and this is an interesting one. So tuna is on the list, olive oil is on the list, and so is pumpkin. So those are my top antiangiogenic foods.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (29:32):
And I'll never forget when I watch there's a ted talk that you can search. You'll have to just use key terms. I don't remember which one exactly, but there were the lead researcher for Antiangiogenic chemotherapies, uh, did a TED talk. And, um, and this is the guy that was paid by however many drug companies to test the, you know, all of the different antiangiogenic, you know, chemos that were out there to see which one was better, did a better job and all that. And it was just outta curiosity, if I remember correctly, story, I was just outta curiosity that at the end he was like, you know, all this talk about, and I think he was pretty anti a lot of what you just listed there and that natural approach to it. And, and he, he was like, I'm just gonna test the compounds that we find in things like tomatoes or whatever.

(30:13):
I'm just gonna test supplements directly. And, uh, and I'll never forget when he, at the TED talk, I remember it was like, it was a list of chemo, as best I can describe this with my words. It, it was a list of all the chemos. And then when he said, Now let's see where the foods and the supplements fell, and it's like the list of chemos kind of opened up and then the supplements and foods kind of slid in. And it was like, there were foods that were, I mean, a lot of the foods and supplements were outperforming the top medications that were given for the same thing. And he was just like, and I mean, it blew him away, obviously it blew me away when I saw the video. And hence that's why he has his own TED talk that's had like, you know, a hundred million views or whatever. Uh, and I just, I'll never forget the vitamin E itself when tested against, uh, you know, angiogenesis was actually more, I think it was the number one thing on the whole list. I don't think there was any, I don't even think there was a synthetic thing that ranked above vitamin E as a whole. And so it just kind of ignited his understanding and his acceptance of the fact that, hey, like these supplements are, are legit. And so anyway, his name is, name is,

Brigitte Spurgeon (31:14):
It's Dr. William Lee. Dr. Will, well, well just cuz I actually, so I saw it. So, um, and I was like, Oh, I, I was at the top of, top of my tongue, Dr. William Lee, l i,

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (31:25):
Good. Perfect. There you go. Loved it, loved it. Great talk and just awesome for opening yours or other people's eyes to, you know, to how, how powerful nutrition can really be in supplements and the right kinds of course, right? And that's the, that's the key there. Um, but, um, but anyway, and let me just say this to is disclaimer, everything that we recommend is kind of general. Like there are certainly, while the majority of cancers are gonna be anaerobic, there are certainly some that are aerobic, et cetera, et cetera. Some are gonna respond better to sugar and worse to sugar and all that. We're talking about the high majority of the cancers that are out there, and just general things that are really healthy across the board, uh, for your body. So, um, the other, uh, the other part to, uh, the other big component, so heal the gut and then the other big component and, and change the nutrition that goes into supporting healing the gut.

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And, you know, antiangiogenic and all that is, um, is we need to detox. And if you go to, uh, Johns Hopkins University, Columbia School of Medicine, you go to these different places, they will freely admit to you, I just printed it out for our workshop this month. I have multi page document from Johns Hopkins, one from Columbia. They'll freely tell you that the high majority of cancers, I've heard numbers as high as 95% of cancers have have their root causes if we're talking about actual cause, uh, in some type of toxicity in the body or something toxic at the cellular level, which again, it's just describing how the cellular environment actually is causing the cells to adapt. And so, um, we've never done any, uh, supportive protocols for someone's body or immune system without doing some type of detox to help clear those things out that cause that that cell to adapt abnormally.

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And so, um, and so, um, with that said, there are many different types of detoxes out there, and we don't promote any one for everybody. Okay? We used to do that, you know, some people respond better than others, whatever. This is where I get a little touchy and I prefer to, you know, actually have a consult where we can talk about your history. And, and, and now, right now, in this office alone, we have three different ones that we use primarily. And each of those three gets adapted according to the patient's needs. And so, um, and so I don't think that there's any one size fits all approach to detox to true cellular detoxification, let me say that. True cellular detoxification. Now, you can take some supplements that help support binding to toxicity. You can take some supplements, help support your bowel moving properly and getting those things outta your body.

(33:44):
And those are things that we can, uh, that we can recommend. So gut healing, changing nutrition, detoxification. And then one more thing that I would add is oxygenation. And they, and those are major categories, right? These huge categories we're talking about. But they all add up to creating a different cellular environment that allows for the cells either to adapt to being more healthy or, uh, to slow them down from adapting to being unhealthy. Um, and so in the pre, the majority of cancers in the presence of oxygen don't do well. Okay? The majority of cancers when exposed to oxygen in a Petri dish, um, or as evidenced in actual people that we've worked with, or obviously all the research that's out there will tell you that when you oxygenate the tissue and people are doing things like hyperbarics, you know, in this category as well, to drive oxygen to those cells, uh, more directly and, um, other types of biohacking and different modalities nowadays. Because we realize that if you can saturate the cancer cells in the presence of oxygen, then you can, um, cause them to adapt back and, or even kill off some of the cancer cells. Anything to say about detox or oxygenation, Bridget

Brigitte Spurgeon (34:51):
Detox, everyone should detox. That should just be, uh, like a quarterly part of our wellness, in my opinion. And then for the oxygenation, two simple daily habits that you can do to oxygenate your tissue. Number one is exercise and number because maybe someone who doesn't, doesn't understand that. And then the second one is, is breathing exercises and do some breathing of routines. Um, we have a couple that we do with, with patients in the, in the office and, uh, yeah. So simple, simple tips there.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (35:29):
Yeah. And even the exercise thing is can be simple and should be simple too. We're talking, walking for 20 or 30 minutes. Like we're not talking about. You have to go do you know, when we're talking the basics here, you know, we're talking about just go out for a walk and deep breath. Um, and, uh, and that does oxygen. It, it's unbelievable how many people are living hypoxic, right? I mean, they're just not breathing right. And so they're not getting oxygen to the tissue properly and or it's a strain on the bo on the body to get the oxygen to the tissue properly. So, um, go for a walk and focus on actually breathing the way that you're supposed to. And, uh, and you're already doing it, right? And we love keeping it simple. We love keeping it simple. And so, uh, so here's a suggestion.

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I was just gonna go through a list of that. I'm gonna share, I have a, I have a bigger list here, um, of all of the things that we're gonna suggest that our upcoming workshop. Um, but I wanna go through the basics that I feel comfortable with everybody listening today. Um, as far as what can you be you be doing on a daily and weekly basis in order to be able to move towards being a more effective cancer killer? Um, and the first thing is gratitude journal. And this just goes back to getting into a health mindset, just to a mindset that's focused on being healthy. And of course, listen to other episodes if you want to hear about how stress causes, uh, cancer inside the body or how it contributes to the cellular environment that leads to cancer. Um, but gratitude journal, huge meditation, you know, uh, on and especially around this idea of thankfulness, um, is uh, is a huge step number one, right?

(36:59):
Uh, number two is, uh, we're very passionate about making sure that, that their joints are moving the way that they're supposed to, so that your nervous system, and we're talking about spinal joints mainly, so that your nervous system can properly communicate from your brain to your organs so that your immune system can work the way that it's supposed to. So those organs can work the way that they're supposed to. And so you can properly resist any, uh, formation of abnormality, um, inside the body. So we, we recommend getting adjusted, doing your, if you're already getting adjusted, doing advanced spinal exercises to really maintain, have proper spinal hygiene. Okay? Um, nutritionally we already talked about sugars, reduce the sugars. If we're talking about just basic things, reduce the sugars, eliminate bad fats. Didn't get into the details too much about this, but the idea here is that bad fats actually calls for bad cell membranes, cuz those cell membranes are made of fat.

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And so when you have bad cell membranes, there's double layers of fat that make up your cell membrane, then they can't let the toxicity out when you are exposed to the toxicity. So now it leads to auto toxicity, which is really what places like Hopkins are more referring to is that auto toxicity that's happening inside the cell because they're unhealthy cells. And one of the top ways that we make 'em unhealthy is eating those bad fats. So we wanna eliminate those bad fats. Um, uh, the deep breathing we talked about, uh, 50% of your body weight and water every day staying hydrated. Uh, it just, you, you cannot have healthy tissue if it's dehydrated. And then also that's where we're gonna, we're obviously we're, we're deriving oxygen from that water as well. Um, intracellularly. Um, and then the only other thing that we didn't talk about but was a part of every protocol that we ever wrote, um, and this is just a good general, again, we get into more details if we're trying to actually make cancer killer related smoothies or juices and stuff.

(38:43):
But, um, it's the smoothies where you can have the most victory. This is very practical recommendation, but it's the smoothies where you can have the most victory in getting in all the good stuff, right? And, and where you can take a basic smoothie and get in the healthy fats, the MCT oils or the coconut oils, right? You can get, uh, you can get greens in there, you can get antiangiogenic foods in there. Cuz a lot of people will say like, I don't like B choy, right? Like, that's not, you know, and I know that's, that's another top antiangiogenic food and I don't like bach choy, but you know what, you can throw it in a smoothie and never taste it the way that it tastes cooked. Or you can juice it and you don't even know that it's in the juice. I've done it for many times and it's because people don't realize when it's not cooked, it doesn't taste the same.

(39:23):
And so, uh, so those smoothies and or juicing, um, if you should ch choose to do that, uh, is uh, are fantastic ways to get the antiangiogenic foods inside your body at a higher dose, along with, in a case of smoothies supporting normal digestion and elimination of toxicity. Um, so really a smoothie becomes this incredible cancer killing practical, you know, experience every morning when you wake up. And so it doesn't, again, it doesn't have to be complicated. We're talking about gratitude, we're talking about moving your body a little bit. Um, we're talking about, you know, uh, tweaking, you know, adding five foods and dropping, you know, two different types of foods like bad fats and, you know, processed sugars, right? This is stuff that people have heard about many times, but they haven't maybe made the connection until today of just how powerful it is to change your cellular environment and stop these cells as best we can naturally from adapting. Anything to add to what you might recommend for the basic tenants of just living a different lifestyle that would naturally change the cellular environment for the better.

Brigitte Spurgeon (40:22):
I was really impacted by, and you'll have to remind me of the name of the study, but it was that the cadaver study where they looked at it was like the causes of death and they looked at the neurology and how that linked. So for example, if someone had, um, you know, kidney failure or they had, um, cancer of a left breast and then the, um, the nerve that a, that went to the left breast was the nerve that was compromised. And that, that really just because it was, I think the number, I think it was like in a hundred percent of cases that the neurology, um, lined up with the cause of death or, or, or the type of cancer or, or something. And, um, so that's just a great reminder for me. Like the thing, the thing is with neurology is we don't necessarily like feel our neurology. We don't, you know, I mean, certainly someone can have sciatica or like neck pain or something like that, but it's not something that's forefront of our mind. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like for asymptomatic people. But I wanna make sure that my, that I'm taking care that, that I'm practicing spinal hygiene basically, because that is, that's part of our wellness and part of our preventative. Yeah.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (41:39):
And healing absolutely one of the foundations of true health and, um, and those are the winds are autopsies. Um, and they were one of the most impactful studies that were they been done 70 years ago now. Um, but uh, it was, it was at that time when so much of chiropractors were saying, so much, so many chiropractors were saying like, Hey, we can help this, we can help that. And so they cut open these cadavers and determined that in fact there was interference with the nerves connected to the cause of death. And, and his number published was, and I hate to say these numbers cause it almost sounds unreal, but his, his published numbers was 100% of the time. So you're right on with that. Um, and it's why we see the miracles we see, and that's why also, you know, chiropractic and, um, spinal hygiene, physical therapy, all that becomes part of the holistic solution to changing, uh, how your body functions, improving how your body functions and changing that cellular environment. So I think that's gonna do it for this episode of True L Solutions podcast. Thank you so much for joining in. Make sure that you, uh, click, uh, make sure that you like the podcasts, um, so that it shows up in your feed more, uh, share it with whoever you think could benefit from understanding more about a different perspective on cancer. And, uh, and we will be, uh, catching up with you next week. So anything you wanna say, Bridget, before we check out,

Brigitte Spurgeon (42:50):
Have a good week. See you next time.

Dr. Lonnie Bagwell, DC (42:52):
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